[BG-heralds] Cadhla &c device
tmcd at panix.com
tmcd at panix.com
Tue May 17 21:52:21 PDT 2011
Cadhla, I haven't heard back from you. Please let me know whether you
got this. It's rather a lot to digest, I know. -- DdL, tmcd at panix.com
On Sun, 8 May 2011, tmcd at panix.com wrote:
> Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 23:39:13 -0500 (CDT)
> From: tmcd at panix.com
> To: bethel.jessica at gmail.com
> Cc: bg-heralds at lists.ansteorra.org
> Subject: Cadhla &c device
>
> Dear Cadhla ("Cadhla" is the one part of your name that I'm sure of):
>
> You asked me to look into your device and its apparent change by
> Laurel. Due perhaps to the early date of your registration, there are
> some extra complexities that you might want to know about.
>
> In short, your current registered name is
> Cadhla Morag nicChlurain of Tregdin
> and your current registered device is
> Azure, a mullet sable fimbriated between six mullets in annulo
> Or.
> with straight arms, the middle one black with white trim, the others
> entirely white.
>
> Are these your preferences? If you'd prefer
> Cadhla of Treghdin
> (your original listed name) and/or
> Azure, within six estoiles in annulo argent, an estoile sable
> fimbriated argent.
> (the same design but with wavy arms on the stars instead of straight
> arms), then we'd have to go deeper to see about that. Depending on
> the details of who did what and when, I can't guarantee at all that
> these other form(s) could still be registered to you.
>
>
>
> These are all the grungy details that I know of.
>
> - On the October 1973 Laurel Letter of Acceptances and Returns (LoAR),
> <http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/1973/10/lar.htm>, is
>
> Cadhla of Treghdin. Azure, within six estoiles in annulo argent,
> an estoile sable fimbriated argent.
>
> An "estoile" in heraldry is a star, usually six-pointed, with wavy
> arms. This says there was a blue background, with a black center
> estoile with a white outline, and around it 6 white estoiles in a
> circle.
>
> In your folder in the Laurel office were these pieces of paper:
>
> - A form titled "HISTORICAL INFORMATION FOR THE GREAT BOOK OF ARMS".
> It is stamped "Sep 9 1973". It gives your name as Cadhla of
> Treghdin. The rest of the form is in different handwriting. It
> blazons the device submission (q.v.) as "Azure, 6 mullets in circle,
> argent, surrounding a mullet, sable, finbriated argent".
>
> A "mullet" in heraldry is a star, usually five-pointed, with
> straight arms.
>
> So note that this description in words ("blazon") doesn't match the
> blazon on the October 1973 LoAR.
>
> - A form with a device, lozenge-shaped. The design matches the blazon
> just above. In particular, the stars are all straight-armed, making
> them heraldically "mullets". On the top is written in black ink
> "Cadhla of Treghdin". Scribbled over/around it using red ink and in
> different handwriting is
>
> Morag nicChlurain of
> Cadhla [of scratched ou] Treg[h scratched out]din
> Nic [stuff scratched out]
>
> Note that the name doesn't match the LoAR registration or the
> Historical Information form. Also, this picture doesn't match the
> blazon in the October 1973 LoAR.
>
> - A card dated Sep 13, 1980, to Cadhla Morag nicChlurain of Tregdin,
> "to confirm that on Nov 01, 1975, we approved in your name:
>
> "Azure, within six estoiles in annulo argent, an estoile sable
> fimbriated argent".
>
> Note that
> = The name matches a version of the device form, but not the
> Historical Information form or the original LoAR.
> = The registration date is off by a couple of years. That's not
> uncommon for submissions from the early years. At least once,
> the data files for the SCA Armorial were entirely lost and
> everything had to be typed in again.
> = The blazon matches the LoAR but not the device sketch.
>
> - The August 2005 Laurel Letter of Acceptances and Returns,
> <http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2005/08/05-08lar.html>, had a reblazon
> listed as
>
> Cadhla Morag nicChlurain of Tregdin. Reblazon of device. Azure,
> a mullet sable fimbriated between six mullets in annulo Or.
>
> Originally registered 11/1975 and blazoned as Azure, within
> six estoiles in annulo argent, an estoile sable fimbriated
> argent, the charges are actually mullets not estoiles.
>
> The general principle is "We register the emblazon [the picture],
> not the blazon [the words used to describe the picture]." That is,
> if the picture or the blazon don't match, the picture wins.
>
> If you go only by the picture in the files, this was a correct
> action.
>
> - The Armorial, the listing of names and armory registered in the SCA,
> gives your name as Cadhla Morag nicChlurain of Tregdin, with an
> original name and device registration date of November 1975,
> which matches the card.
>
>
>
> I attach the Laurel-office file scans. Since there are other people
> on the CC list, I removed the Personal Identifying Information other
> than your SCA name(s).
>
> If any of this is unclear, please let me know.
>
> Daniel de Lincolnia
> --
> Tim McDaniel; Reply-To: tmcd at panix.com
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