WR - [Fwd: ANST - Southern Principality Proposals at Tempio]

Faith Vedder fvedder at earthlink.net
Thu Apr 2 07:10:46 PST 1998

ulrica wrote:
> Hi Pug!  You make some good points here.  I think that, just like puberty,
> the Principality Thing is coming whether we want it to or not.  I,
> personally, think that we have to move forward or we will stagnate.  I think
> this could be an excellent way of improving our Kingdom.  It just depends on
> your mindset.  If you don't like change, this will be a killer.  If you are
> into adventure, you should be willing to try this on for size so to speak.
> And....I see us as all being a bit adventurous or we wouldn't be in the SCA
> to begin with!  Question is?  Which part of the Kingdom is the most
> adventurous???
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pug Bainter <pug at pug.net>
> To: bonwicke at Ansteorra.ORG <bonwicke at Ansteorra.ORG>
> Date: Wednesday, April 01, 1998 7:32 AM
> Subject: Re: WR - [Fwd: ANST - Southern Principality Proposals at Tempio]
> >Brent Hanner said something that sounded like:
> >> From what I have been told there are two main proposals on the table.
> >
> >Actually, I *think* there are many more than that. The two main
> >proposals being presented are "small" vs "large". At this point, "small"
> >and "large" have not been defined.
> >
> >> One is the southern region (Ravens Fort East,  all groups currently in
> the
> >> region and all the area south of I-10 west of 35),
> >
> >This is close to one of the proposals. Basically the Southern Region plus
> >the groups south of Victoria. (Of course that might be what you said but
> >I'm confused by the Raven's Fort inclusion since they are in the
> >Southern Region.)
> >
> >Unfortunately both Loch Solier and Seawinds are having events that
> >weekend so there may be little representation from that part of the
> >Kingdom.
> >
> >> The other one is both the southern and western regions(This one
> >> apparently does not have as much support).
> >
> >This is one of the large proposals.
> >
> >Unfortunately I have to admit that personally I've only made it to one
> >Bonwicke event so far. Fortunately I had so much fun that I plan on
> >visiting more often.
> >
> >> The reason that Trelac, BlackLake and Emerald
> >> Keep are listed is because they are close to the proposed border and
> >> because of this were asked what they thought.  That is what this is.
> >
> >Unfortunately, I see this as a bit of bias. The person presenting the
> >"small" Principality is also the person organizing the meeting and from
> >Tempio. If you notice, they are the only groups outside of the Southern
> >Region that were including even when there has been groups in the southern
> >Coastal area express interest.
> > (Maybe the thinking is to see if the Southern Region wants to
> > do it first and ask others later, but I see this as a bad plan.)
> >
> >I would like to encourage one and all to come, or send a liason, to
> >represent their point of view, either for or against any of it. This is
> >an early meeting to find out if there is interest. If there is shown
> >enough interest that the entire Western Region would like to come in
> >mass or not at all, I would enjoy having it being known by one and all.
> >
> >Yes, it would be a large Principality, but I see that as a good thing.
> >Although *I* don't want it to become a Kingdom, it is good to plan for
> >it to become one in the future. Never intentionally limit yourself.
> >
> >As well, remember if the gene pool is too small, you get some nasty
> >side-effects.  *grin*
> >
> >Just some words from a Southern Region person who is still undecided on
> >the whole thing.
> >
> >Ciao,
> >
> >--
> >Phelim "Pug" Gervase  | "I want to be called. COTTONTIPS. There is
> something
> >Barony of Bryn Gwlad  |  graceful about that lady. A young woman bursting
> with
> >House Flaming Dog     |  vigor. She blinked at the sudden light. She writes
> >pug at pug.net           |  beautiful poems. When ever shall we meet again?"
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Peers, heck.  There aren't enough groups and probably not enough people
to support a P in the WR alone.  I have to admit to wondering how
incorporating the SR into the WR would prevent deserving folks from
attaining Peerages?  There's no quota to bag.  It could actually improve
the situation as the SR & WR interact on a different level, i.e. as one.
Anyhow, a P is still part of the Kingom.  The Sovereigns of a P are
subject to the Sovereigns of the Kingdom, P laws must meet Kingdom
standards, and P circles are part of the Kingdom circles.  P status
provides more opportunities to serve as Sovereign and officers,
generates a few more awards as the King allows the Prince to hand out,
and creates more 'official" events on the calendar.  A P is not the
equivalent of a Kingdom, it will not solve many of the perceived
problems of the area.  P status is puberty.
Mistress Evelyn du Monde

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