WR - (fwd) ANST - Boffer Program Progress

Larkin O'Kane larkin at webstar.net
Mon Jul 13 13:25:23 PDT 1998

On Tue, 14 Jul 1998 11:22:43 -0500, "Casey&Coni" <cjw at vvm.com> wrote:

Okay, folks, I'm back from Coronation with feedback from the Kingdom
on this matter.

First, I would like to thank the *86* parents who mailed in letters of
support to me on this idea.  I think I really have a good idea of what
parents want and I intend to go ahead and pursue this with a full head

Essentially, it went like this last weekend:

I approached our Kingdom KM, Sir Karl, with a copy of the Easts 'Rules
the Youth Lists' (a wordy document that is extremely representative of
kingdoms personality, IMO) and his response was that until it gets
through the Kingdom Senechal and the King, he doesn't want to discuss
Basically, the message was, "Make it *feasable* through them first and
we can work out the details through the marshallate afterwards.  To do
work on one before the other is moot."  To me, this made sense.

So I approached Sir Burke with it.

His response was that if I send up a formal written proposal, with
rules attatched, he will take it under consideration.   I got the
that it wouldn't hurt to get the input of a few of our lawyers on the
subject, and included their input in the proposal.

I also showed it to HM Barn but he was a bit busy with some kind of
kind of
coronation stuff to look it over well.

My course of action at this point:

1.  Look for Texas and Oklahoma lawyers in the sca who will give me a
opinion on what course of action should be taken to safely (for the
kids and
for the sca) make this happen- if there is such a way.  The sticky
part of
this is that they would have to give a professional opinion pro bono-
doesn't allow for a big enough bank account to pay out legal fees.  As
starting point, we may want to look at the legalities of running a
full-contact karate dojo.

2.  I will draft a proposal coversheet that basically says: "The
parents and
the children in the kingdom would like to see the following happen:"

3.  I will then draft a set of rules based on the Easts (hopefully
wordy), Atenveldts (waiver system already in place), Caids (haven't
seen it
yet, but I know it's out there somewhere), and Artemesias (ditto).
y'all see on any of these kingdoms rules that you would like to see in
just give me a ring or drop me a line.  Same goes for things you
want included.

4.  I will attatch the lawyers input.

5.  I will attatch proposed consent or waiver forms if necessary.  (I
this is going to be necessary)

6.  Here's where y'all come in... I will attatch a petition with as
signatures on it as I can get, child or adult, of Ansteorrans who want
to happen.  At the top of each sheet will be printed: "We would like
to see
boffer legal in the Kingdom of Ansteorra.  Please weigh our desires
when the
final decision is made."

If any of y'all want to help get signatures, write to this list and I
appoint you in charge for your area.  Make sure you get a response
from me
first, so we don't have ten folks in one shire getting signatures.
Essentially what I'll do is have you draft up your own form, fifty
lines to a sheet, with the text from the previous paragraph at the
Make sure that nobody signs twice.

I think this will work.  Four other kingdoms have it and we have lots
other full contact sports for youths in both Texas and Oklahoma so I
see it failing legally.

If someone would please do me the courtesy of posting this to the
West, Central, and North Regional lists, I would be much obliged. (the
still doesn't have a list, right?)


Ritter Dieterich

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