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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Alright, one more time, just for the thrill of
the debate...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>I am the one that started this and it has been a good debate ...alittle
one sided (For George W.)but ..that's O.K....</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What did you expect, posting to a list of
typically the most chivilrous and conservative mindset individuals on the face
of the planet? This is the S.C.A., not the D.N.C.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>I totally support our Troops no matter where they are ...That is not in
question....However ...I would like for you all realizes something that I can
not over look....in all the talk and defending of George W.(and our troops)
each and everyone of you'll have said >>>If you don't like it
..."Shut your mouth" or "keep your opinions to yourself"...Well, here is a new
debate .....If we are fighting for freedom and the right to do what we want
too....Where is my freedom of Speech..without being told to "Shut my
Mouth".....read the E-mails....</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>No Kandace, you read the e-mails. Where in any of
my posts did I tell you to shut your mouth??? No where..</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I believe in the right to free speech and and the
right to wield it even if the wielder does so with utter disregard for the
rights of others. Do people want to hear what you had to say? some of them
perhaps, still others would have to concider this rhetoric a direct attack on
the very military you now claim to support. Do you hold a very unpopular
view? Yes, I believe you do. I don't feel that the left would have gotten as
far as it has without the help of the biased media that you unfortunately have
fallen victom to. Did others on this list tell you to shut up? Yes, they did.
Do you understand why yet? I'm sure you don't. However, I feel that if you
follow an open minded study of what you're being told things will stop adding
up and we'll be on the same page. That's what happens when liberals start
acknowledging the facts. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>I do disagree with George W...and who he is and what he lets you think is
he stands for ....In case you haven't heard,..If anybody says anything against
the Bush encampment ...that is their pat answer "Shut your Mouth"
...we still have not heard about the Capture of Ben Laden and his band of
terrorist...</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>More of the talking points. Aren't you tired of
this yet? First they said until we take control of Afganistan , then we did.
Then it was well, unless we capture the murderous thugs that sadaam called
sons, then Bush hasn't come through.. Then he did. Then it was we still
haven't caught Sadaam, so Bush is still failing. and then we
did...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>On average it looks like our boys, working with
the Iraqis have stopped about 80% of the terrorist activities that were about
to go off. Right now, if Bin Laden were captured, Al Quida surrendered all of
thier weapons and converted to judaism Bush would still be a failier for
something in the eyes of the democrats, no matter how much good he's done,
you're still going to hear the spin against him. Look with your eyes, not the
eyes of a liberally biased so called journalist.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>(They're safe in Saudi)....Human rights or woman's rights being taking
care of over there??? ...</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Human rights? WOMEN'S RIGHTS????? Are you kidding
me??? I'm not even going to answer this. Study Muslim culture and the role of
a woman in the middle East. Then write to me about the rights of women over
there not being up to par.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>and yes we maybe rebuilding a school ..but we blew it up....</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>But are you sure? We targeted military targets.
If they had comondered a school or a hospital as a terrorist hide out than
what choice did those boys have huh????? Give something remotely intelligent
regarding this one. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>When we went over there only 75% of urban areas
had electricity and it was only on averarge available 8 to 10 hours a day. The
fact that we have drinkable water and electricity up to 23 hours a day now
says volumes of the positive mark our guys are having over there.
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<DIV>Yes I think those Leaders over there are Self-righteous Zealots who want
to burn the world down....</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>That would be why we took them out of power,
remember? The same conflict that you're complaining about now...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>but in the same thought , I am reminded that in the U.S.,.. we have
Children going hungry everyday ,..we have people Sleeping in Boxes and eating
out of dumpers..we have dead beat Dad and mothers that never think of their
children having to have a roof over the heads....we have our elderly that can
not pay for Meds or have to buy can dog food just to survive
on ,....</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Nope, can't let you get away with that balogna
either... President Bush just passed the most comprehensive Senior drug plan
since Rooseverlt signed the welfafe act into law, we have government programs
running out the wazzu for food, housing assistance, utility bill assistance
and homeless advocasy. By in far, if someone is on the streets, it's not the
government's fault. It's theirs because they've done more than ANY other
country on the face of the planet to prevent it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So far as the starving children go, Show them to
me... Show me the poor little darlings with bloated bellies dying from worm
infestation asnd malnutrition. Are you serious????? </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>We have a drug addition here that is unprecedented in any other
Country...(our answer ,,,Build more Prisons and hide them away)...why are we
not 'cleaning our own back yards" when we are willing to "mow" someone else's
front yard ?....</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2> What on earth are you talking about?? I'm a
recovering drtug addict and an alcoholic. Addiction isn't a government crisis
and how darew you try and blame them for it. It's an issue of charactor and
until that individual comes to his/her sences and reaches down to find that
charactor, they are a menace to society and to themselves. I can speak from a
first person standing on that issue. It's not a matter of building more
prisons to hide or cover up anything. It's the bleeding hearts thinking they
can reform these poor lost souls who, by the way will never have anything
until they wany it... Sobriety included.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>you want to support Americans ...the next time your at a restaurant
eating a good meal and you see a homele! ss person on the street...why don't
YOU go and invite them in and feed them...why don't YOU help them out with a
place to sleep for the night?..</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ever heard the saying, give a man a fish and
he'll eat for a day, teach a man to fish and he'll eat for the rest of his
life? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Nuf said? Have you spent any time with the
homeless? I have. Do you realize how many do it through choice? Do you realize
how much money they can take in on a busy afternoon panhandling on a street
corner? No, I'm not saying that every homeless person is like that and some
genuinely are down on thier luch and just need a boost. Here again, any idea
of how many government programs are in place to help them too?????
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<DIV>Last time I looked they were American just like you ...when you
realize that 80% of us are one pay check away from just like them ...where is
your passion...where is your out rage.....</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Rage? Passion? You're out of you mind with rage
and it's getting you nowhere. And no, I'm about three paychecks from being
homeless. So you know what? If I lose this job, it's MY responsibility to get
another one. It's MY responsiobility to care for my kids, it's MY
responsibility to make sure that doesn't happen. MY
RESPONSIBILITY....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Not the government, not G.W. Bush, NOt you, not
my friends, my family, Sadaam Hussain, or any other living sole.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Keep this in mind when you start spouting about
RAGE. Where is MY rage? Directed at people who want to make it more difficult
for me to open a business and follow MY American dream. MY rage is directed to
those who tel;l me I should pay more taxes becuser they know better how to
spend my money that I do. MY rage is directed at people who would cripple our
military and C.I.A. to the point where another 9/11 can happen to start
with... Don't mistake rage for passion. The two never interchange and since
both are emotional reactions they preclude logic. Without logic, we're liable
to believe the rhetoric you're spouting without even knowing your own
facts.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>Oh yea...I'm suppose to "KEEP MY MOUTH SHUT" and my opinions to my
self....Jan ..I would love to give you things to send over there for the kids
..but ..we have kids right here that do not have pencils and paper for school
or books or ..how about shoes and cloths to wear.......and they haven't had a
candy bar in a year...</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>How dare you? To single out an individual who
genuinely IS down on her luck right now and direct that dribble towards her.
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This is a fine American who THINKS. Even though
she's lost practically everything, she can still communicate those eloquent
words she shared with us yesterday and you have the gall to do this? How's
this for rage? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Oh, By the way, ever hear of the DESK program?
That's another one I donate to every year. This one makes sure kids have the
pencils, paper etc. You can't show me any naked kids if you were to try and
who cares how many candy bars they've eatten in the past year? How about you
talk about how many carrots or broccoli sprouts, why candy? </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>I want our troops home safe and sound just like everyone does
...Iraq is in trouble ,no doubt...but so are we ....How do you take
out the splinter in your brothers eye... if you don't take the log out of
your own....First..remove the log and you can see the splinter....just a
thought this a.m.....K....</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Final word. Anywhere you seek discourse, you'll
surely find it. If you seek poverty, you'll find it. If you're looking for the
ill in man, yes, you'll find that too. But, if you seek the good, guess what
you find? If you seek courage, guess what you find? If you seek charactor, can
you guess????? Perhaps you are still seeking to find that log and in the
process overlooking all the good that's being accomplished all over the world
in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bush is only a man. He makes suggestions and
whether congress and the senate decide to pass it depends on
them.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It does seem that he's made a whole lot of good
decisions, whether you want to give him credit for them or not. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Kandace, go and study. Read the facts, not just
what the democratic party tells you to believe and then write me back again.
Everything I defended with tonight is just information off the top of my head.
Now if I can remember this much, imagine how much is out there, just waiting
for you to look past the log. Love you,
Charles</FONT><BR><BR></DIV></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>