[Bryn-gwlad] Helm liners

[Michelle Caddel]

If you are interested in learning more about suspension liners I believe
Don Aeron could help you out.
 
Mariah

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From: bryn-gwlad-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org
[mailto:bryn-gwlad-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Eule
Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 5:18 PM
To: 'Barony of Bryn Gwlad'
Subject: Re: [Bryn-gwlad] Helm liners


The primary protective role this system provides is suspension, not
padding and achieves (in my opinion) better results.  Although they are
sewn in, in my case, I take them out and wash them as needed.  I also
reinforce the edge a bit more than they did in these articles.
 
I use my helms on the mounted combat and rapier fields...don't know
about the rules for chivalric, but I do know that other knights are
using this system effectively and safely.
 
Eule/Steve
Unus sed Leo
 

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	From: bryn-gwlad-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org
[mailto:bryn-gwlad-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Sir Lyonel
Oliver Grace
	Sent: Monday, August 14, 2006 4:34 PM
	To: bryn-gwlad at lists.ansteorra.org
	Subject: Re: [Bryn-gwlad] Helm liners
	
	
	Salut cozyns,
	 
	I like the instructions and image set from the Forth Armoury
site, but this guide provides several points at which I sincerely
question the wisdom of cleaving too closely to medieval practices. 
	 
	First and foremost, that liner is going to sop up sweat. I would
not want something like that sewn into my helm. As the writer suggests
toward the end of the article, the points in the crown of the helm
should fit together ("so that there is not so much empty space"). I
would stitch them together. Since he plans to pass the straps through
the liner anyway, why should it be sewn into the helm? This strikes me
as slavish and ill-considered re-creation. Anything absorbent that goes
into a helm should be designed to take out and toss in the laundry.
	 
	Second, I question the choice of padding material. The Complete
Participants Handbook requires:
	 
	

	All parts of the helm that come in contact with the wearers head
when worn will have a

	minimum of 1/2 inch (12.5 mm) closed-cell foam padding or the
equivalent. Any part of

	the helm that is likely to come into contact with the wearers
unprotected neck or body will

	also be suitably padded.


	The wording in the Society Marshal's Handbook is similar,
substituting only "resilient or closed-cell foam" and being a bit more
anal about the metric conversion (12.7 mm). 
	 
	In any case, will ten layers of cotton batting in a roll provide
similar protection? I know it won't provide the same resiliency. The
pictures showing the thickness of the padding in place don't look
reassuring. Also, I believe the cotton batting will lose recoverability
with repeated soakings. That's just what cotton batting does. Both of
the articles suggested here chose cotton batting for their padding
materials, apparently in an attempt at something approaching
authenticity. Studies of existing armor padding from the fifteenth
century suggests a range of possible stuffing materials including linen
batting, rags, and even straw. I doubt, however, that our medieval
forebears expected to take as many stout blunt blows to the helm as a
typical SCA chivalric combatant.
	 
	Another consideration for the padding materials: the
cotton/linen padding has to be thicker than closed-cell foam to get the
same degree of protection. That might not fit in some of our helms. 
	 
	So, all points considered, I might be willing to try this
pattern, but I'd stuff the linen with closed-cell foam, and I'd not sew
it into my helm.
	
	lo vostre per vos servir
	Meser Lyonel
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	Micel yfel deth se unwritere.
	--AElfric of York
	
	
	
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	> Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 12:59:25 -0500
	> From: kcmarsh at cox.net
	> To: bryn-gwlad at lists.ansteorra.org
	> Subject: [Bryn-gwlad] Helm liners
	> 
	> I have mentioned linen helm liners to several people at
practice recently.  See
http://www.nacs.net/~pietro/SCAArmorHelmLiner.html and
http://www.forth-armoury.com/photo_gallery/helm_liner/helm_liner.htm for
instructions on making quilted helm liners.
	> 
	> Maelgwyn
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