[Bryn-gwlad] Chivalric Tiny Tourney--July 17

Tue Jul 10 13:13:40 PDT 2007

Honestly I'd never heard of a requirement of only
fighting close to the barrier until this conversation.
 In my experience either you're holding on, or you're
free to do was you will.  This is a little of what the
Pas I've been in look like:
http://history.westkingdom.org/Year32/Photos/CFC5.htm
http://www.geocities.com/baron_steffan/pasdarm1.gif
http://history.westkingdom.org/Year32/Photos/WMP3.htm
http://history.westkingdom.org/Year32/Photos/WMP2.htm
  There's a knight riding the barrier in a couple of
those as pennance for some minor transgression.  The
combattants didn't hit him "by accident" too many
times, and he took his punnishment in good humor.
  My understanding of the origin of barrier fights is
that they emerged during the Hundred Years War.  Much
of the fighting in the conflict consisted of long
sometimes boring seiges.  So bored knights would ride
up to the beseiged town's gates, or breaches in their
walls, and challenge the defenders to a relatively
friendly contest of arms.  They'd fight over
improvised defenses, rubble and low walls.  Keeping
the barrier between them made capturing each other or
overwhelming with numbers difficult.  Just walking up
to a town and challenging their best to a man to man
fight takes some cajones.  It doesn't seem necessary
to commit to staying pinned to the barrier.  "He who
does more is more worthy." (Charny) So I'd say there
are bonus points if you can, but it's not necessarily
required.
  Back to the original point- I don't see the rules
Uther's put forth to limit our foot work that much.   
Like any art, the limitations of the medium can
inspire the creation of more beautiful things.
  Gaston de Clermont

--- Sean Gulick <sean at utig.ig.utexas.edu> wrote:

> The model of let those that are fighting decide
> seems most enjoyable  
> for all.  That being said tourney format trumps it. 
> In a bear pit  
> where the tourney format says you die if you step
> out, then the  
> fighters have their marching orders.  I find small
> bear pits quite  
> different then barriers and they certainly allow
> movement, just at  
> closer quarters then some are used to.  Very sorry
> that I will be  
> missing the Tiny Tourney!
> 
> Gideon
> 
> On Jul 10, 2007, at 12:27 PM, Eric W. Brown wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > I missed this Lysts (partially because I expected
> it not to be  
> > terribly
> > fun, fighting wise), but the Lysts before I
> remember folks standing
> > around the Barrier telling 1h weapon folks they
> had to put a hand  
> > on it
> > or put their hips against it... Not the marshal,
> but several strong
> > Kibitzers.
> >
> > I prefer to fight great sword at the barrier, but
> I don't find it any
> > fun If I can move my feet at least a little in all
> 4  directions,  
> > even a
> > half step.
> >
> > That said I'm not trying to argue with folks, just
> express why I  
> > decided
> > to
> > Pass on the tiny tourney...
> >
> > Shrug,
> >
> > Cal-
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: bryn-gwlad-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org
> > [mailto:bryn-gwlad-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org] On
> Behalf Of Sir  
> > Lyonel
> > Oliver Grace
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 12:12 PM
> > To: bryn-gwlad at lists.ansteorra.org
> > Subject: Re: [Bryn-gwlad] Chivalric Tiny
> Tourney--July 17
> >
> > Salut cozyns,
> >
> > I don't recall ever hearing a stated requirement
> to have one hand  
> > on the
> >
> > barrier or to be in contact with it. Typically,
> rules for fights at  
> > the
> > barrier are whatever the combatants decide. At the
> last Lysts at
> > Castleton,
> > I chose to fight single sword with one hand on the
> barrier, but  
> > that was
> >
> > because my left arm is screwed up (normally, I
> prefer bastard sword at
> > the
> > barrier). No one after I lost the barrier was
> *required* to fight that
> > way.
> > In fact, Alexis and the viscount from Gleann
> Abhann fought at the
> > barrier
> > with short spears.
> >
> > En Lyonel
> > _________________________________
> > Impedimentum via est
> > (The obstacle is the path)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: "Eule" <eule at ecpi.com>
> >> Reply-To: Barony of Bryn Gwlad
> <bryn-gwlad at lists.ansteorra.org>
> >> To: "'Barony of Bryn Gwlad'"
> <bryn-gwlad at lists.ansteorra.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Bryn-gwlad] Chivalric Tiny
> Tourney--July 17
> >> Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2007 11:33:28 -0500
> >>
> >> In general, is this holding onto the barrier a
> requirement in the  
> >> rules
> >> or a convention that seems to be in use
> today...put in place by
> > whomever
> >> is running the list?
> >>
> >> Eule/Steve
> >> Unus sed Leo
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: bryn-gwlad-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org
> >> [mailto:bryn-gwlad-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org]
> On Behalf Of Bernard
> >> Wright
> >> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2007 11:30 AM
> >> To: Barony of Bryn Gwlad
> >> Subject: Re: [Bryn-gwlad] Chivalric Tiny
> Tourney--July 17
> >>
> >>
> >> We also have indestructible shields and no lower
> leg targeting, I am
> > not
> >> a fan of holding onto the barrier, but being
> close to or in contact
> > with
> >> the barrier with at least 1 part of the body is
> my prefered method.
> >>
> >> -barnet
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Marlin and Amanda Stout <ldcharles at sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Zach Most wrote:
> >>
> >>> As to barriers themselves, there's more
> historical
> >>> precident to _not_ holding on to the barrier.
> All of
> >>> the images in my head of barrier fights used two
> >>> handed weapons, so you couldn't really hold on.
> >>> Single sword at the barrier can be fun too, but
> from
> >>> what I can tell it was invented in the SCA.
> >>> Gaston de Clermont
> >>>
> >> The convention I've seen used most for barrier
> fights nowadays  
> >> require
> >> the fighter to be 'in contact' with the barrier,
> but not with a hand.
> >> The combatant is required to keep his/her front
> leg in contact  
> >> with the
> >> barrier.
> >>
> >> Charles
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> >>
> >>
> >> Que qui plus haut monte qui'l ne doit, de plus
> haut chiet qu'il ne
> >> vourroir. -Geoffroi de Charny
> >>
> >
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