[Bryn-gwlad] historian info

[Lucia Digioia]

Actually, I am happy to do the web development, as well as deployment,
for such a project. We already have an officers page, of course, although
I would LOVE to have photos to go with the names </hint>. I have
sketched out skeleton pages for Chivalric Combat and Rapier Combat
(and with the advent of a new archery site, I guess I need to add Archery
to that list). There are already several A&S pages... anyone wanting to
write copy for any other "interest" type pages, just go ahead now!

[I know it doesn't show, but I really AM doing work on the website...
it's just that it's kind of an all-or-nothing thing--a partial rollout isn't 
really
do-able, and there are a lotta pages :-) I'm also waiting on some DB access
issues with Kingdom.]

Anyway, one of the changes in the works is to make every page not just
printer-friendly but printer-beautiful. Ideally, you will be able to print 
out
a perfectly formatted sheet from every page on the web--no cut-off
graphics or funny word-wrap issues. Thus, any page on the web should
be usable as a handout.

And of course there are security issues involved with putting extensive
personal information online. We can put that kind of information behind a
password login, of course, but then you have the problem of newcomers
feeling rebuffed because they don't have the login. I would not support 
giving
out passwords by email--it would have to be a personal contact IMO. In the
end, it seems that the best answer is not to include mundane info at all. 
Email
is a grey area, since many people don't have a dedicated SCA email account.

But... I absolutely agree with Caladin that, before we go asking people for
their life histories, we should clarify why we're asking... and also with 
Ceallach,
that we should see whether any of that information already exists. No point
in doing the same work twice or more. I'm pretty sure that Coblaith the 
Diligent
has been doing data collection for the next Domesday for a few months now...

Anyway, speaking strictly for myself, as a (still relatively) new member of
the Barony, I didn't find it difficult to meet people who shared my 
interests.
The single thing *I* needed most in my first few months was faces to go
with names (see <hint> above). A couple of people I learned right away
(mostly my fellow Italians, come stai Giotto?), but it was frustrating to be
told "talk to the Seneschal about that" or "the Hospitaler can help you" and
not know who the Seneschal or Hospitaler were (by sight, I mean).

In service,
--Lucia the Loquacious :-)


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Subject: Re: [Bryn-gwlad] historian info


> I'm confused. If I understand the reason for the document and it's
> Content don't seem to be in parallel...
>
> What is the purpose of the document?
>
> To be an available resource for the hospitaler to show new folks?
> Teaching them who is who, and what each face is interested in?
>
> The document you're gathering for sounds more like teaching them about
> folks who used to play here....History based, not people /interest
> based.
>
> What about something designed to meet the need specifically.
>
> Maybe something starting with standing officers, and then organized by
> interest.
>
> A simple web page could do this really easily, have it able to generate
> a report, and then you'd have to flip around to use the hard copy.
>
> The main page would be officers and links/page numbers to their
> "profile".
>
> Then an interest based table of contents.
>
> Something like this (links not real)
>
> Heavy_Weapons (pg4) -  Armored combat. Swords, shields Big Bruises and
> all that type stuff.
>
> Light_Weapons (pg5) - Fencing, Epees, Rapiers, Lots of Small bruises,
> and all that.
>
>
> Then flipping to the Page/ clicking the link takes you to a detail page.
>
> Heavy Weapons.
> Page 4
>
> [Photo of the]
> [Duck of Death]
> Kein_Macewan (pg45)-  Duck, Stick guy,, KCSA,(pg15) General Fine fellow.
>
> [Photo of the]
> [Duckling of Doof]
> Caladin_Ironhearth (pg 69) -  Squire, Heavy , LeatherWork,(pg14)
> Mead&Brewing,(pg Pug) Watch your wives and Daughters...
>
> Seems like something like that would be really easy to whip up and
> Perform the understood service much better.
>
> A simple web/database app would do the data-display and gathering, and
> then
> You could print out updated paper versions. You could keep the web app
> local to a laptop, or let folks hit a public website and enter their own
> details.
>
> Alternately a Wiki could do this Really easily, but it would be only
> online.
> (gathering this kind of linked data sounds like a pain the petoot, to do
> and organize by hand)
>
> A simplified hardcopy only version could be just a domesday, with Photos
> &armorials, instead of contact info. But with interested etc.
>
> Or a smaller book with Folks who've agrees to be the Interest specific
> contact point only.
>
> That's all assuming I correctly understand the point of the book in the
> first place.
>
> Cal-
>
> P.S. Yes I'm volunteering to help with the development side of things,
> if someone else takes care of deployment to the site/machine and data
> gathering. (call it E-Barony) :)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: Re: [Bryn-gwlad] historian info
>
> And your assumption is incorrect.  There are two versions and the more
> complete version
> contains much of the information you are talking about.
>
> I would suggest talking with the chronicler and getting the information
> she does have as a starting point.
> Perhaps you can even share a database.
>
> Ceallach
>
> -----Original Message-----
> Subject: Re: [Bryn-gwlad] historian info
>
> That's one of the points to doing this.
>
> 1.  it gives more information then the Domesday book (Which I am
> assuming is just sca name legal name and contact information.)
>