[Bryn-gwlad] Pronunciation of "Gwlad"

[Sir Lyonel Oliver Grace]

Salut cozyns,
 
When I first arrived here, I looked all of this up in the UT library. Everything I could find gave the following guidance on Bryn Gwlad:
 
The r was trilled. 
 
The y is a monothong roughly equivalent to a very short u or short schwa.
 
The w is occasionally used as a vowel in Welsh, but this is not true in any known example between G and L. The word gwlad is monosyllabic.
 
The a is pronounce like the short a in "father." If it were pronounced like the short a in "bad" it would be an æ.
 
When I used that pronunciation, I was corrected repeatedly and told to use Brin Goolad or Brin Gwalad.
 
Good luck inculcating the populace. En Lyonel 
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> Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 14:43:13 -0500> From: tmcd at panix.com> To: bryn-gwlad at lists.ansteorra.org> Subject: [Bryn-gwlad] Pronunciation of "Gwlad"> > Heather Rose Jones, aka Mistress Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn,> Harpy Herald (composer of the dance tune "Heralds In Love"),> has a PhD in medieval Welsh linguistics. Sounds like we should be> swallowing the "w".> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------> Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 20:40:32 -0700> From: Heather Rose Jones <heather.jones at earthlink.net>> To: tmcd at panix.com> Subject: Re: Pronunciation of "Bryn Gwlad"> > Word-initial "gw" _almost_ always represents a consonant cluster.> Technically, "gwlad" is a single syllable in Welsh, and is probably> best pronounced as if it were "GLAHD" except that you linger lovingly> on the "L" for a while. The representation "goo-LAHD" will get you as> close as anything, as long as you remember that "goo" doesn't actually> count as an official syllable. (This is the same principle by which> "Tangwystyl" is actually only two syllables.)> > We actually have the writings of medieval Welsh grammarians on this> question, although they use a different set of words as examples. In> the various 15th c. Welsh grammatical treatises, when they talk about> the definition of a syllable, they note:> > "Some syllables are of one letter, such as _a_; and some of two, such> as _af_; some of three, such as _eur_; some of four, such as _kerd_;> some of five, such as _gwnaf_; some of six, such as _gwnawn_; some of> seven, such as _gwnaeth_; and there are never more letters in a single> syllable than that."> > The words "gwnaf", "gwnawn", and "gwnaeth" are all conjugations of the> verb meaning "to do, to make" and demonstrate the same issues as the> opening of "gwlad'.> > Does that help?> > Tangwystyl> > [in East Texas Welsh, "Tangwystyl" is six syllables -- DdL]> _______________________________________________> Bryn-gwlad mailing list> Bryn-gwlad at lists.ansteorra.org> http://lists.ansteorra.org/listinfo.cgi/bryn-gwlad-ansteorra.org
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