ES - Children at events

Richard Threlkeld rjt at softwareinnovation.com
Mon Feb 19 16:33:20 PST 2001 

Thank you for that correction. Since the Marshals control the field, 
whatever criteria they wish to use is law. And this one makes some 
sense. When a Marshal allows someone on his or her field, he/she 
takes responsibility (though not necessarily legal liability - see 
your waiver) for that person's safety. If they want a person who 
enters a field during a hold to have had a basic safety class, it 
certainly makes sense.

I was basing my answer on a discussion on the waterbearer's list 
that is SCA wide. The Chirurgeon general and the SCA Earl Marshal 
had said that there was no age limit. I thought they also said there 
was no non-combat restriction at the SCA level, but Kingdoms could 
add their own. I just checked the kingdom manual and it is clearly 
there.

Caelin

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-elfsea at ansteorra.org [mailto:owner-elfsea at ansteorra.org]On
> Behalf Of Duke, Wes
> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 4:38 PM
> To: 'elfsea at ansteorra.org'
> Subject: RE: ES - Children at events
> 
> 
> Actually Caelin,
> I believe Sir Kief had ruled that if you were going on to a 
> combat field you
> had to have a none combatant authorization even if a hold has been called.
> 
> Fearghus
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From:	Richard Threlkeld [SMTP:rjt at softwareinnovation.com]
> 	Sent:	Monday, February 19, 2001 3:10 PM
> 	To:	elfsea at ansteorra.org
> 	Subject:	RE: ES - Children at events
> 
> 	I believe the non-combatant box is only required when you will be on
> 
> 	the field when it is active. In melees at Pensic, for instance, they
> 
> 	have all these on active fields. In most cases in Ansteorra, we do 
> 	not send waterbearers on the field unless it is a hold *and* we 
> 	have permission from the marshals on the field. 
> 
> 	The non-combatant box means you have taken a short course in the 
> 	rules and etiquette of the lists and melee fields. You know enough 
> 	to be fairly safe and you know that being on an active field is 
> 	never completely safe (arrows, for instance, do not know that you 
> 	are a non-combatant). 
> 
> 	We request Chirurgeons to get the non-combatant training. In fact, 
> 	we recommend (but do not require) Chirurgeons to become field 
> 	marshals in one or more combat activities. They will understand 
> 	more about the fighters and fighting, be even more useful, and 
> 	the fighters and marshals may trust them more.
> 
> 	Caelin
> 
> 	> -----Original Message-----
> 	> From: owner-elfsea at ansteorra.org
> [mailto:owner-elfsea at ansteorra.org]On
> 	> Behalf Of Julie Self
> 	> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 1:06 PM
> 	> To: elfsea at ansteorra.org
> 	> Subject: RE: ES - Children at events
> 	> 
> 	> 
> 	> I have just gotten an authorization card that has a Non-Combat
> block with 
> 	> Scout, Banner Bearer, Chirurgeon, Herald and Water Bearer in 
> 	> parentheses.  
> 	> Does this not mean that they really should be authorized?
> 	> Gwenllian Hertewelle
> 	> 
> 	> 
> 	> >From: "Richard Threlkeld" <rjt at softwareinnovation.com>
> 	> >Reply-To: elfsea at ansteorra.org
> 	> >To: <elfsea at ansteorra.org>
> 	> >Subject: RE: ES - Children at events
> 	> >Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 11:57:00 -0600
> 	> >
> 	> >You do not need to be authorized to be a waterbearer. We prefer
> that you
> 	> >work with the official Waterbearer for the event. He or she will 
> 	> make sure
> 	> >you know the rules for the day. When you may enter a list field,
> what to
> 	> >do if someone puts the water bottle head in their mouth, ...
> 	> >
> 	> >We are currently reviving the Waterbearer's Guild. It will
> operate under
> 	> >the Chirurgeon's Guild (waterbearers report to the chirurgeons),
> but has
> 	> >its own Kingdom Waterbearer office. There will be a short (about
> 30 
> 	> >minutes)
> 	> >class on sanitation, rules, and organization. Those who take the 
> 	> class will
> 	> >be Journeyman Waterbearers and entitled to wear a blue baldric
> with the
> 	> >Waterbearer's badge on it. We expect those people to run the
> waterbearing
> 	> >at events.
> 	> >
> 	> >A Journeyman Waterbearer is not required at any event and they
> have
> 	> >no authority over the Autocrats or whomever the Autocrat chooses
> to
> 	> >waterbear. However, they will make themselves available. As an
> Autocrat,
> 	> >I would choose someone who wanted to do it and who had
> instruction in
> 	> >doing it well and who (probably) had experience in doing it.
> 	> >
> 	> >That was probably much more than you wanted, but my two cents
> worth.
> 	> >
> 	> >Caelin
> 	> >Deputy Kingdom Chirurgeon (and former Kingdom Waterbearer)
> 	> >
> 	> > > I thought that in order to be a waterbearer you now had to be
> 	> > > authorized -
> 	> > > I know I've overheard people say "are you authorized to be a 
> 	> >waterbearer?"
> 	> > > Or do I have my wires crossed (again)?
> 	> > >
> 	> > > Lavina
> 	> > >
> 	> > > On Mon, 19 Feb 2001, Richard Threlkeld wrote:
> 	> > >
> 	> > > >
> 	> > > > > 1.  Would it be possible for those who are interested in
> having a
> 	> > > > > page/squire (or whatever appropriate title is) all to
> gather at an
> 	> > > > > upcoming event, set aside a time with the MOC and give a
> talk
> 	> > > about what
> 	> > > > > they as "Sir Knight" do as a knight and would except of a
> page; or
> 	> > > > > what "Lord/Lady Herald" does and would need help with.
> After 
> 	> >everyone
> 	> > > > > gives their presentations, the kids could break up into
> 	> > > groups and meet
> 	> > > > > either as small group or individually with the person they
> 	> > > wish to work
> 	> > > > > with.  Things could progress from there...
> 	> > > >  Great idea. There are two possibilities. Let the children
> 	> > > choose or let
> 	> > > > the adult choose. Each has merits and in the end, both must
> choose. 
> 	> >And
> 	> > > > it will also require input from the child's parents.
> 	> > > > >
> 	> > > > > 2.  Why can't the older children be criers or runners at
> 	> > > events.  Tabbards
> 	> > > > > could be made to easily identify these pages.
> 	> > > > Or waterbearers!
> 	> > > >
> 	> > > > >
> 	> > > > > Again - just my .02 cents worth.
> 	> > > > >
> 	> > > > > Lady Lavina
> 	> > > > > (again - who is always willing to give her advise on
> subjects)
> 	> > > > Caelin
> 	> > > >
> 	> > > >
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