[Elfsea] New Park - needed or not

[Richard Threlkeld]

I believe River Legacy was mentioned by Drake and Allessandra. But it does not
really change location very much. It does have a different clientele and might
be a better park. It is still in Arlington and has archery problems therefore.

Caelin

> -----Original Message-----
> From: elfsea-admin at ansteorra.org [mailto:elfsea-admin at ansteorra.org]On
> Behalf Of Paul or Galen
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 1:39 PM
> To: elfsea at ansteorra.org
> Subject: Re: [Elfsea] New Park - needed or not
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 14, 2001, at 09:52 AM, Marsh, Vicki wrote:
>
> > Xene here:
> >
> > Okay, I haven't waded into this properly, but since Eleanor seems to be
> > jumping up and down, shouting about it (in an e-mail sort of way),
> > I will do so now.
> >
> > First of all,  calm down.  We do not need for this to disrupt the
> > Barony or
> > harm friendships - thank you, Earl Drake for pointing this out, even
> > as I
> > was writing this letter.
>
> I don't think there's any danger of disrupting the barony; everyone
> seems to have shown appropriate courtesy -- and passion, this is an
> important topic -- and I haven't noticed anyone saying they'd refuse to
> attend practice at any given location.
>
> > Secondly, we need to determine if we really have sufficient reason to
> > move
> > fighter practice.  I still haven't seen that proven.
>
> I believe the barony was satisfied as to that at October Moot.  I
> announced on-line that we'd be discussing the possibility of moving
> fighter practice at that meeting.  Earl Drake presented a list of
> reasons to leave Randol Mill, and also reasons to seek a better place.
> He listed those again in a recent post.  The overwhelming consensus was
> to find a new place.  The decision of just where to move to was
> postponed to November Moot, which (unless I'm mistaken) will be November
> 26th, the Monday following Thanksgiving, and not this next Monday, as
> someone previously mentioned.
>
> > Thirdly, if we really do need to move fighter practice, the best way
> > would
> > be to have try-out practices at the different parks - one park a month
> > for
> > the top three or four picks.
>
> I disagree, because I think that would simply be too confusing.  Part of
> our goal is to increase attendance at practice, and I fear we'd be
> spread across three or four parks by April if we tried to switch monthly.
>
> > Now, that won't let us know what kind of people will be there all
> > during the
> > year, or what the traffic will be like around Trinity Park during the
> > major
> > festivals, but it will give everyone a chance to decide for themselves.
>
> Well, the opportunity to decide for ourselves is the purpose of this
> thread.  We're asking people to take a little side trip in the coming
> week and a half and see what they do or don't like about the sites under
> discussion.
>
> > And lastly, if we do choose to move to another park on the basis of
> > wanting
> > archery, then I want to have the permission to commit archery in a
> > public
> > park IN WRITING from the proper government official - and it needs to be
> > kept in the Seneschal's and Marshallate files.  Hearing it from another
> > SCA'er is just wishful thinking.
>
> This seems like a very good idea, but archery alone won't decide this
> question.
>
> > My personal opinions, for whatever they are worth, are that if we don't
> > prove the need to move, then we shouldn't.  Why fix what isn't broken?
>
> I believe the need has been proved to the satisfaction of the barony.
>
> > In
> > over 20 years of working in the SCA, most of the people who join and
> > *stay*
> > are invited in by friends and co-workers.  Period.  I've been the
> > hospitaller and officer and I *know* what I am saying.  Demos at large
> > target events also bring in people - like the Irish festival and Texas
> > Renaissance Fair.  Fighter practices don't usually bring them in.
>
> In Austin, when fighter practice was at Waterloo Park in the city
> center, we recruited people, as I recall.  It was when practice was
> moved to more out-of-the-way venues that no one joined Bryn Gwlad having
> discovered it at fighter practice.
>
> > If there really is a need to move the fighter practice, then I would
> > want to
> > see each of the parks with a large practice there and evaluate the
> > conditions present *at the time of the practice*.
>
> I don't believe it's practical to move practice for only a month.  I
> think too many people would only get the word by the time we move on to
> the next candidate park.  I feel we need, as a barony, to make a good
> decision, and stick with it for a good length of time.
>
> > I am in agreement with Arabella, in that I don't like the idea of
> > Trinity
> > Park, because of our trip to the Zoo last year.  I did not feel safe
> > there.
> > Even with big sticks, I don't think it's a safe place for our
> > children.  I
> > am concerned over parking and traffic problems in the park, especially
> > when
> > there are large events that *will* be happening on Sundays.  I also
> > used to
> > work next door to Trinity Park with Azalais, and watched the Park daily
> > from
> > my office windows.  During the week, it got *real* wierd there.
> > Perhaps we
> > should also check with the Police Departments (I'm sure we have someone
> > with
> > friends on the different forces) and discuss the crime rate and problems
> > with each park.  During the summer, the humidity and mosquitoes are
> > pretty
> > tough next to the River.
>
> Some of these concerns are the same reasons we're leaving Randol Mill.
> Can any of Trinity Park's advocates answer these?
>
> > His Excellency, Don Llywelyn, has told me that he likes Bedford Boys
> > Ranch,
> > but I keep asking him to tell you that himself.  No matter which one is
> > chosen, we will have to drive about an hour each way due to our choice
> > of
> > homes.
>
> It seems that the leading candidates are Trinity Park, off I-30 and
> University in Fort Worth, and Bedford Boys Ranch, just north of 183 in
> Bedford.  Any others that people really like?
>
> - Galen
>
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