[Elfsea] 'Young Ones'

CE Huse/Lady Maria Cabeca de Vaca cehuse at sbcglobal.net
Wed Oct 30 11:08:01 PST 2002

Very well said, Donnel and Caelin.

Might I add one more thing....I am even newer to this game than all 3 of
you....heck, I see it that I'm still the baby out of this whole group. ;-)
But, I do agree with all of you. Yes, the newer people have a right to an
opnion on how things change on a variety of subjects. But, us "younger"
people must respect "elders".  Donnel is one of our founding members and we
need to respect her, as well as the other founding members of this Barony.

Timothy, I understand your sense of frustration...I've been there too. But
as Galen once told me...you can't push a rope. Change sometimes takes time.
There are alot of things here in the Barony that I would like to see changed
(maybe for the better), but the trick is to do it subtly (as Donnel told me
once)...not throw a temper tantrum over what I see as a minor comment.


----- Original Message -----
> "Ok, I've now had a button pushed."
> You pushed my button yesterday on me about age and I didn't get upset and
> scream on  here like you are now.
> You are talking about getting new people in here but you stated.
> "That said, we are a group in need of new people right now.  It does not
> help our organization for those who have been playing to strike down new
> ideas simply because they come from someone 'new'."
> You need to stop striking down old ideas and opinions because they come
> the older players. Elfsea need the new players but they also need the
> ones too and if you keep trying to run us off the ones left are going to
> really give you a race. I am here and I am will staying. Just like some of
> the others that are still here. We are here for our group to  help and
> any way we can. That means working together with thought and reason.
> "Comments like the ones above imply that your opinion counts only if you
> a "long term player", and this should not, and is not, true."
> Comments like yours implies  that mine do not count because I am a long
> player.
> You may not have noticed but I usually stay on the side lines and watch
> new people. When I see them I jump up and start talking to them. Make them
> feel confortable. Get them to the people they need to get with. Get them
> adress and phone # or get theirs and pass it on to who needs it. I am and
> aways will be a champion of the new people. Even when I lived in La I was
> doing this at Elfsea events.
> You keep getting on here and stating this is just for discussion and then
> when others disagree with you try and push them over with verbiage. Your
> opinion is welcome but respect the others as well. If you would like to
> discuss this at a later date in person you are welcome.
> Donnel Shaw
> Ly Maili Donnel MacGregor
> Founder of the Barony of Elfsea
> Holder of the order of the Ant of Elfsea
> Holder of a comet for Elfsea
> Past Hospitaler of Elfsea
> Pre K
> Bray
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Timothy Rayburn [mailto:timothy at elfsea.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 10:53 AM
> To: elfsea at ansteorra.org
> Subject: [Elfsea] 'Young Ones'
> >Remember that all you "young ones" will someday be "old
> >ones".
> Ok, I've now had a button pushed.
> First, I started playing this game a DECADE ago, have been immensely
> for the last 5 years.  Many have played longer, but I'm hardly 'new' here.
> Let us please cease the rhetoric about time of play.  No one persons
> counts more or less for their time playing this game.  It should be
> considered or rejected SOLELY on the merits of the arguement.
> Timothy
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