[Elfsea] Pennsic Story

Sean Slattery bogs at clubwielder.com
Fri Aug 8 21:46:59 PDT 2003

What happened to Iolo seems to me to be unnecessarily high handed on 
Cindy Cooper's part.

I also think that this situation is similar to the Pillaged Village 
"problem" that occurred last year. A customer came after "closing 
hours" to pick up something they had set aside earlier in the day. 
Their transaction was arranged well in advance of the established 
closing time, and the Pillaged Village people were concluding in good 
faith business already in progress; but when Cindy Cooper caught wind 
of them being "open for business", she banned them from Pennsic this 

Her actions appear to foreshadow a disturbing and disappointing trend. 
A few years ago, there would have been some discussion and an 
opportunity for remedial action in any situation like this. If Cindy 
Cooper has known about this "problem" for "years," she should have had 
someone talk to Iolo long before throwing him off the Pennsic site. 
...like "years" ago.

As an aside, I have always understood fair warning to be a part of any 
due process...


On Friday, Aug 8, 2003, at 17:29 US/Central, willow Taylor wrote:

> I wish sometimes people would warn people of problems. I am sure the 
> officials knew he was doing it. I know none of us want to be the bad 
> guy
> but sometimes we need to bite the bullet and tell people there is a
> problem. I know in Ansteorra,me and other nobles have made a bad name 
> for
> ourselves by interfering in similar situations, but it better for us to
> be involved than the police or property owners getting involved.
> Willow de Wisp
> On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:23:57 -0500 TWMarsh at TarrantCounty.com writes:
>> Don Aeron Harper sent me this Pennsic story:
>> Master Iolo Fitzowen, the newest Lion of Ansteorra, who has sold
>> crossbows
>> at the Pennsic war for 17 years, sets up a canvas backstop so that
>> his
>> customers can test fire his bows with SCA-legal boffer arrows. He
>> has done
>> this every year that he has been at that or any other war. Every day
>> all day
>> boffer arrows hit the canvas and drop harmlessly to the ground.
>> This year, on Thursday, Cindy Cooper walked up with a Marshal in tow
>> and
>> told him that what he was doing is against the rules.
>> Iolo replied "Oh. Well I've been doing it for 17 years."
>> Cindy said "Yes, well I've suspected that you've been doing it, but
>> I've
>> never actually caught you at it."
>> Well it was pretty incredible that not only did she happen to
>> "catch" him
>> doing it, this time, after somehow missing it for 17 years, but she
>> already
>> had the paperwork filled out (with the marshal's approval) to throw
>> Iolo off
>> the site.
>> Iolo said "I had no idea this was a problem. We can just stop doing
>> it, all
>> you had to do is ask."
>> Cindy said "No, you're out of here. Clear out tonight."
>> In case anyone doesn't know Iolo, making and selling these crossbows
>> is how
>> he makes a living. He gets fully 1/4 of his business at and because
>> of
>> Pennsic.
>> So Iolo is driving the 24 hours home to Texas right now, without
>> even so
>> much as a partial refund. He's bringing home several finished
>> crossbows, if
>> any would like to buy one. If you were thinking of ordering a
>> crossbow from
>> him soon-ish, now would be a good time.
>> Llywelyn
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