[Elfsea] Pennsic Story
blakrose at swbell.net
Fri Aug 8 23:30:44 PDT 2003
I have often wondered what we pay the Coopers for the
'privilege' of using Coopers Lake campgrounds. I
remember for Pennsic 14, I was told they got $10 a
head at the gate plus their several little vending
concerns----ice,washing machines, etc.(for 10,000
peo-ple this would be $100,000+ for two weeks rent)
I have never had a bad time at Pennsic, and I have
never met the lady in question. Some time ago however
I got the impression that the SCA was deeply indebted
to the Coopers for letting us use their site.
I have often wondered why it was only held there and
not one of the many other campsites that are
one who would like to see 'the War of the King Who
Declared War on Himself, and Then Lost' continue
--- Sean Slattery <bogs at clubwielder.com> wrote:
> What happened to Iolo seems to me to be
> unnecessarily high handed on
> Cindy Cooper's part.
> I also think that this situation is similar to the
> Pillaged Village
> "problem" that occurred last year. A customer came
> after "closing
> hours" to pick up something they had set aside
> earlier in the day.
> Their transaction was arranged well in advance of
> the established
> closing time, and the Pillaged Village people were
> concluding in good
> faith business already in progress; but when Cindy
> Cooper caught wind
> of them being "open for business", she banned them
> from Pennsic this
> Her actions appear to foreshadow a disturbing and
> disappointing trend.
> A few years ago, there would have been some
> discussion and an
> opportunity for remedial action in any situation
> like this. If Cindy
> Cooper has known about this "problem" for "years,"
> she should have had
> someone talk to Iolo long before throwing him off
> the Pennsic site.
> ...like "years" ago.
> As an aside, I have always understood fair warning
> to be a part of any
> due process...
> On Friday, Aug 8, 2003, at 17:29 US/Central, willow
> Taylor wrote:
> > I wish sometimes people would warn people of
> problems. I am sure the
> > SCA
> > officials knew he was doing it. I know none of us
> want to be the bad
> > guy
> > but sometimes we need to bite the bullet and tell
> people there is a
> > problem. I know in Ansteorra,me and other nobles
> have made a bad name
> > for
> > ourselves by interfering in similar situations,
> but it better for us to
> > be involved than the police or property owners
> getting involved.
> > Willow de Wisp
> > On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:23:57 -0500
> TWMarsh at TarrantCounty.com writes:
> >> Don Aeron Harper sent me this Pennsic story:
> >> Master Iolo Fitzowen, the newest Lion of
> Ansteorra, who has sold
> >> crossbows
> >> at the Pennsic war for 17 years, sets up a canvas
> backstop so that
> >> his
> >> customers can test fire his bows with SCA-legal
> boffer arrows. He
> >> has done
> >> this every year that he has been at that or any
> other war. Every day
> >> all day
> >> boffer arrows hit the canvas and drop harmlessly
> to the ground.
> >> This year, on Thursday, Cindy Cooper walked up
> with a Marshal in tow
> >> and
> >> told him that what he was doing is against the
> >> Iolo replied "Oh. Well I've been doing it for 17
> >> Cindy said "Yes, well I've suspected that you've
> been doing it, but
> >> I've
> >> never actually caught you at it."
> >> Well it was pretty incredible that not only did
> she happen to
> >> "catch" him
> >> doing it, this time, after somehow missing it for
> 17 years, but she
> >> already
> >> had the paperwork filled out (with the marshal's
> approval) to throw
> >> Iolo off
> >> the site.
> >> Iolo said "I had no idea this was a problem. We
> can just stop doing
> >> it, all
> >> you had to do is ask."
> >> Cindy said "No, you're out of here. Clear out
> >> In case anyone doesn't know Iolo, making and
> selling these crossbows
> >> is how
> >> he makes a living. He gets fully 1/4 of his
> business at and because
> >> of
> >> Pennsic.
> >> So Iolo is driving the 24 hours home to Texas
> right now, without
> >> even so
> >> much as a partial refund. He's bringing home
> several finished
> >> crossbows, if
> >> any would like to buy one. If you were thinking
> of ordering a
> >> crossbow from
> >> him soon-ish, now would be a good time.
> >> Llywelyn
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