[Elfsea] Re: Challenge

Morgan Cain (Ansteorra) morgancain at earthlink.net
Fri Jul 18 05:59:03 PDT 2003


> Just out of curiosity how did this Duchess even hear of Judas
> Macabbee?, was she Jewish by any chance? Just wondering?

Tegwared, Judas Maccabeus was one of the Nine Worthies in their most popular
configuration.  These Worthies constituted three trios, one from the Ancient
World, one from the Classical World, and one from the "Modern" (to the 14th
Century) or Christian world.  They were well-known to the Christian world
that created them from the mid-14th-Century onwards.  So, unless Her Grace
is very early, she would have heard all about the Worthies, Judas Maccabeus
included.  It's interesting to study how this bit of Jewish history ended up
in the Catholic bible.

Each Worthy had certain traits that a man was to emulate, and was also
assigned armory (I think four of the nine had their own, the others got
fanciful arms) so that he could be more easily recognized in an allegorical
setting.  They were often used as symbols of how man SHOULD behave,
something like an early Hall of Fame of Chivalry and Comportment.  Some
tellers gave each a distinct trait, sometimes they had more than one, or the
traits overlapped.  Almost all the Worthies are warriors.

I've done a lecture on the Nine Worthies for several years, ever since I
stumbled across a reference and was fascinated.  It usually scores as a
philosophy class.

                                            ---= Morgan


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>    4. Re: Challenge (giles nemeton)
>    5. RE: Challenge (Christina Norman)
>    6. RE: Challenge (Christina Norman)
>    7. RE: Nuttiness closer to Home (Wilkerson, Glen D)
>    8. RE: who is Herbert Von Kalden??? (Lisa Duke)
>    9. RE: Challenge (Betsy Marshall)
>   10. RE: who is Herbert Von Kalden??? (Vicki Marsh)
>   11. Re: who is Herbert Von Kalden??? (Estella Flather)
>   12. Re: who is Herbert Von Kalden??? (Ameline Dubois)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 15:04:32 -0500
> From: willow Taylor <willowjonbardc at juno.com>
> Subject: Re: [Elfsea] Challenge
> To: elfsea at ansteorra.org
> Message-ID: <20030717.152733.-542183.2.willowjonbardc at juno.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> Dear Tegwared McAuley
>
> The story of Judas Macabbe is in the Catholic Bible. The Catherial at
> Chartes has the Nine Worthies on its windows. He was counted as one of
> the Nine Worthies. It is interesting to note that Geofrey of Bolonge is
> not on the window, but William of Orange or Curtnose is that last Worthy.
>
> Duchess Willow de Wisp
>
>
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:23:18 -0500 "Terry Varner" <tdv250 at hotmail.com>
> writes:
> > Just out of curiosity how did this Duchess even hear of Judas
> > Macabbee?, was
> > she Jewish by any chance? Just wondering?
> >
> >
> >
> > Tegwared McAuley(mka Terry Varner)
> > You need only two tools: WD-40 and duct tape. If it doesn't move and
> > it
> > should, use WD-40.
> > If it moves and shouldn't, use the tape
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >From: "CE Huse/Lady Maria" <ldy_maria at sbcglobal.net>
> > >Reply-To: ldy_maria at sbcglobal.net, Barony of Elfsea
> > <elfsea at ansteorra.org>
> > >To: "Barony of Elfsea" <elfsea at ansteorra.org>
> > >Subject: RE: [Elfsea] Challenge
> > >Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:58:55 -0500
> > >
> > >OH! I have it Your Grace!!
> > >
> > >He was fighting the Syrians led by Bacchides around 161 BC. and was
> > it an
> > >eagle on their shields?
> > >
> > >Maria
> > >The Internet Queen
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >Dear Gentle folks
> > >
> > >I have a challenge for you.
> > >
> > >A Duchess in 1203 France rushes down to where you are sitting and
> > asked
> > >you this question?  Who was Judas Maccabee fighting when he was
> > killed
> > >and what do they have on their shields? Quick, there is Largess in
> > the
> > >answer. What will you tell her?
> > >
> > >Willow de Wisp
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 15:42:45 -0500
> From: willow Taylor <willowjonbardc at juno.com>
> Subject: Re: [Elfsea] Challenge
> To: elfsea at ansteorra.org
> Message-ID: <20030717.155002.-547147.0.willowjonbardc at juno.com>
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> Greeting to all the good scholars in Elfsea.
>
> I think the Catholic Bible calls them Greeks So the information a 12th
> century person would have was that Judas Maccabbeus was fighting Greeks.
> Would a 12th century put the arms of the current Greek empire on a shield
> in an illustration? If so what are the arms of the Greek empire?
>
> Willow
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 13:51:41 -0700 (PDT)
> From: giles nemeton <blakrose at swbell.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elfsea] Challenge
> To: Barony of Elfsea <elfsea at ansteorra.org>
> Message-ID: <20030717205141.4238.qmail at web80307.mail.yahoo.com>
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> Judah Maccabee was a jewish hero who fought the
> Seleucid Empire's(Syria) domination of his people in
> about 160BCE. Maccabee means 'the Hammer' and is not a
> family name. His father was Mattathias of the
> Hasmoneans who lived in the town of Modein not far
> from Jerusalem.
>
> cian
>
> --- willow Taylor <willowjonbardc at juno.com> wrote:
> > Dear Gentle folks
> >
> > I have a challenge for you.
> >
> > A Duchess in 1203 France rushes down to where you
> > are sitting and asked
> > you this question?  Who was Judas Maccabee fighting
> > when he was killed
> > and what do they have on their shields? Quick, there
> > is Largess in the
> > answer. What will you tell her?
> >
> > Willow de Wisp
> >
> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 14:01:44 -0700 (PDT)
> From: giles nemeton <blakrose at swbell.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elfsea] Challenge
> To: Barony of Elfsea <elfsea at ansteorra.org>
> Message-ID: <20030717210144.88208.qmail at web80303.mail.yahoo.com>
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> i should add here that the Seleucids were one of the
> remnants of Alexanders empire----the Seleucid empire
> composed what today is Turkey,Iran,Irag,Syria, parts
> of southern USSR(formerly)and points further east.
>
> their king was Antiochus IV at about this time
>
> sorry to ramble on so
> cian
>
>
> --- giles nemeton <blakrose at swbell.net> wrote:
> > Judah Maccabee was a jewish hero who fought the
> > Seleucid Empire's(Syria) domination of his people in
> > about 160BCE. Maccabee means 'the Hammer' and is not
> > a
> > family name. His father was Mattathias of the
> > Hasmoneans who lived in the town of Modein not far
> > from Jerusalem.
> >
> > cian
> >
> > --- willow Taylor <willowjonbardc at juno.com> wrote:
> > > Dear Gentle folks
> > >
> > > I have a challenge for you.
> > >
> > > A Duchess in 1203 France rushes down to where you
> > > are sitting and asked
> > > you this question?  Who was Judas Maccabee
> > fighting
> > > when he was killed
> > > and what do they have on their shields? Quick,
> > there
> > > is Largess in the
> > > answer. What will you tell her?
> > >
> > > Willow de Wisp
> > >
> > >
> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 16:10:26 -0500
> From: "Christina Norman" <christina at cncnorman.com>
> Subject: RE: [Elfsea] Challenge
> To: "Barony of Elfsea" <elfsea at ansteorra.org>
> Message-ID: <FHEFLMAPMAPJPJCNAOJKMEOICHAA.christina at cncnorman.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> would the persians have had the shield design with allah spelled
> artistically?  i'm totally guessing as this is the current iranina
national
> emblem.  fun to look for the answers, tho
> blusingly ignorant...
> isolde
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elfsea-bounces at ansteorra.org
> [mailto:elfsea-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of willow Taylor
> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 2:56 PM
> To: elfsea at ansteorra.org
> Subject: Re: [Elfsea] Challenge
>
>
> I need a shield design for the Persians.
> Willow
>
> On Thu, 17 Jul 2003 08:53:05 -0500 "Betsy Marshall"
> <betsy at softwareinnovation.com> writes:
> > "When Judah Maccabee died in battle fighting Demetrius I Sorter his
> > brother, Jonathon Maccabee was elected leader."
> >
> > Persians. You want the shield insignia of the winners or the losers?
> > Pyro
> > asked
> > you this question?  Who was Judas Maccabee fighting when he was
> > killed
> > and what do they have on their shields? Quick, there is Largess in
> > the
> > answer. What will you tell her?
> >
> > Willow de Wisp
> >
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 16:31:52 -0500
> From: "Christina Norman" <christina at cncnorman.com>
> Subject: RE: [Elfsea] Challenge
> To: "Barony of Elfsea" <elfsea at ansteorra.org>
> Message-ID: <FHEFLMAPMAPJPJCNAOJKOEOJCHAA.christina at cncnorman.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> and if ya can't tell also illiterate and goofy for not using spell check
> (sigh)
> (me)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> would the persians have had the shield design with allah spelled
> artistically?  i'm totally guessing as this is the current iranina
national
> emblem.  fun to look for the answers, tho
> blusingly ignorant...
> isolde
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 07:25:10 -0500
> From: "Wilkerson, Glen D" <glen.d.wilkerson at lmco.com>
> Subject: RE: [Elfsea] Nuttiness closer to Home
> To: "'noble at delafyeld.com'" <noble at delafyeld.com>, "'Barony of
> Elfsea'" <elfsea at ansteorra.org>, Ansteorra <Ansteorra at ansteorra.org>,
> Glaslyn <Glaslyn at ansteorra.org>, Lindenwood
> <Lindenwood at ansteorra.org>, Steppes <Steppes at ansteorra.org>
> Message-ID:
> <28CF047BB51A9C40A89E308370E2DA1126C27F at EMSS07M13.us.lmco.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> And in some municipalities it is still on the books that you may not drive
> an automobile unless you have someone walk in front of you waving a
> lantern...
>
> Alaric
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Noble Field [mailto:noble at delafyeld.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 6:39 PM
> To: Ansteorra; Elfsea; Glaslyn; Lindenwood; Steppes
> Subject: [Elfsea] Nuttiness closer to Home
>
>
>    Did anybody know that in TEXAS it is illegal to drive with your parking
> lights only on???  Watch out, smokey is watching!
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 18:30:30 -0500
> From: "Lisa Duke" <arabella at elfsea.net>
> Subject: RE: [Elfsea] who is Herbert Von Kalden???
> To: "'Barony of Elfsea'" <elfsea at ansteorra.org>
> Message-ID: <002401c34cbb$69be9980$6501a8c0 at gateway.2wire.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252"
>
> Isn't this Stella's Son?  And isn't he currently on military duty?  -
> Arabella
>
> Subject: [Elfsea] who is Herbert Von Kalden???
>
>
> M'Lords and Ladies,
>
> This gentle person is trying to reach Herbert Von
> Kalden and I do not know who this person is. Can
> anyone help?
>
> Thank you,
> Brigit
>
>
>
> To the Honorable Lady Brigit Ni Sheachnasaigh:
> I am Andrew Bend, of the Cleftlands, in the Northern
> Oaken region of
> the Midrealm.  I am attempting to contact one Herbert
> von Kalden of
> Elfsea, and I am having no success.  Apparently he is
> overseas, and
> unreachable, on a mission of some sort.
> I have offered rewards of art or wine for an email
> address that might
> reach him.  I offer these to you, in the hope that I
> might ask him my
> question of heraldic conflict, that I might be able to
> register the
> device that best suits me, which I have been trying to
> do for over a
> year.
> Any assistance you might render me in my quest would
> be greatly
> appreciated.
> Yours in art,
> Andrew Bend
> =====
> peterwells.com
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 18:52:53 -0500
> From: "Betsy Marshall" <betsy at softwareinnovation.com>
> Subject: RE: [Elfsea] Challenge
> To: "'Barony of Elfsea'" <elfsea at ansteorra.org>
> Message-ID: <000001c34cbe$8aa3e580$02b00040 at softwareinnovation.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Not in 160 BCE- Muhammad and all of Islam was about 900 years in the
> future..
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elfsea-bounces at ansteorra.org [mailto:elfsea-bounces at ansteorra.org]
> On Behalf Of Christina Norman
> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 4:10 PM
> To: Barony of Elfsea
> Subject: RE: [Elfsea] Challenge
>
> would the persians have had the shield design with allah spelled
> artistically?  i'm totally guessing as this is the current iranina
> national
> emblem.  fun to look for the answers, tho
> blusingly ignorant...
> isolde
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 21:08:47 -0500
> From: "Vicki Marsh" <XaraXene at comcast.net>
> Subject: RE: [Elfsea] who is Herbert Von Kalden???
> To: "Barony of Elfsea" <elfsea at ansteorra.org>
> Message-ID: <DKEHJFOJMJGJAIEGAOIMOEPAEBAA.XaraXene at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Yah, Llywelyn says that Herbert is Bert, Stella's son.
>
> I suggest that you call Stella is you want to let her know about this.
>
> Xene
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: elfsea-bounces at ansteorra.org
> [mailto:elfsea-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of Lady saviti
> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 1:33 PM
> To: Elfsea
> Subject: [Elfsea] who is Herbert Von Kalden???
>
>
> M'Lords and Ladies,
>
> This gentle person is trying to reach Herbert Von
> Kalden and I do not know who this person is. Can
> anyone help?
>
> Thank you,
> Brigit
>
>
>
> To the Honorable Lady Brigit Ni Sheachnasaigh:
> I am Andrew Bend, of the Cleftlands, in the Northern
> Oaken region of
> the Midrealm.  I am attempting to contact one Herbert
> von Kalden of
> Elfsea, and I am having no success.  Apparently he is
> overseas, and
> unreachable, on a mission of some sort.
> I have offered rewards of art or wine for an email
> address that might
> reach him.  I offer these to you, in the hope that I
> might ask him my
> question of heraldic conflict, that I might be able to
> register the
> device that best suits me, which I have been trying to
> do for over a
> year.
> Any assistance you might render me in my quest would
> be greatly
> appreciated.
> Yours in art,
> Andrew Bend
> =====
> peterwells.com
>
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> Message: 11
> Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 19:05:31 -0500
> From: "Estella Flather" <eflather at flash.net>
> Subject: Re: [Elfsea] who is Herbert Von Kalden???
> To: "Barony of Elfsea" <elfsea at ansteorra.org>
> Message-ID: <007a01c34cc0$4e66d620$efd8fea9 at i1l3f0>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Greetings from Mistress Stella-
> Herbert von Kalden is my son, Herbert Flather,  who just recently finished
> Artillery officer Basic at Fort Sill OK and is currently at our house
until
> the beginning of August.
>     I will have him email the gentleman who is seeking him.
> In service, HE Stella
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lady saviti" <ddancer_saviti at yahoo.com>
> To: "Elfsea" <elfsea at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 1:32 PM
> Subject: [Elfsea] who is Herbert Von Kalden???
>
>
> > M'Lords and Ladies,
> >
> > This gentle person is trying to reach Herbert Von
> > Kalden and I do not know who this person is. Can
> > anyone help?
> >
> > Thank you,
> > Brigit
> >
> >
> >
> > To the Honorable Lady Brigit Ni Sheachnasaigh:
> > I am Andrew Bend, of the Cleftlands, in the Northern
> > Oaken region of
> > the Midrealm.  I am attempting to contact one Herbert
> > von Kalden of
> > Elfsea, and I am having no success.  Apparently he is
> > overseas, and
> > unreachable, on a mission of some sort.
> > I have offered rewards of art or wine for an email
> > address that might
> > reach him.  I offer these to you, in the hope that I
> > might ask him my
> > question of heraldic conflict, that I might be able to
> > register the
> > device that best suits me, which I have been trying to
> > do for over a
> > year.
> > Any assistance you might render me in my quest would
> > be greatly
> > appreciated.
> > Yours in art,
> > Andrew Bend
> > =====
> > peterwells.com
> >
> > __________________________________
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> > SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!
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> Message: 12
> Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 00:15:36 -0500
> From: "Ameline Dubois" <ameline at generich.com>
> Subject: Re: [Elfsea] who is Herbert Von Kalden???
> To: "Estella Flather" <eflather at flash.net>, "Barony of Elfsea"
> <elfsea at ansteorra.org>
> Message-ID: <002b01c34ceb$9fa19c20$6601a8c0 at aristotle>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> What will HE Stella go for?....
> Andrew Bend wrote....
> "I have offered rewards of art or wine for an email
> address that might reach him. "
>
> hmmmm,
> Ameline ducking for cover
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Estella Flather" <eflather at flash.net>
> To: "Barony of Elfsea" <elfsea at ansteorra.org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 7:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elfsea] who is Herbert Von Kalden???
>
>
> > Greetings from Mistress Stella-
> > Herbert von Kalden is my son, Herbert Flather,  who just recently
finished
> > Artillery officer Basic at Fort Sill OK and is currently at our house
> until
> > the beginning of August.
> >     I will have him email the gentleman who is seeking him.
> > In service, HE Stella
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Lady saviti" <ddancer_saviti at yahoo.com>
> > To: "Elfsea" <elfsea at ansteorra.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 1:32 PM
> > Subject: [Elfsea] who is Herbert Von Kalden???
> >
> >
> > > M'Lords and Ladies,
> > >
> > > This gentle person is trying to reach Herbert Von
> > > Kalden and I do not know who this person is. Can
> > > anyone help?
> > >
> > > Thank you,
> > > Brigit
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To the Honorable Lady Brigit Ni Sheachnasaigh:
> > > I am Andrew Bend, of the Cleftlands, in the Northern
> > > Oaken region of
> > > the Midrealm.  I am attempting to contact one Herbert
> > > von Kalden of
> > > Elfsea, and I am having no success.  Apparently he is
> > > overseas, and
> > > unreachable, on a mission of some sort.
> > > I have offered rewards of art or wine for an email
> > > address that might
> > > reach him.  I offer these to you, in the hope that I
> > > might ask him my
> > > question of heraldic conflict, that I might be able to
> > > register the
> > > device that best suits me, which I have been trying to
> > > do for over a
> > > year.
> > > Any assistance you might render me in my quest would
> > > be greatly
> > > appreciated.
> > > Yours in art,
> > > Andrew Bend
> > > =====
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> > >
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