[Youth-combat] RE: [Elfsea] RE: [Steppes] Fwd: [Ansteorra]YouthfulCombatants

Wed Jan 12 08:53:25 PST 2005

Not to hurt anyone's feelings in any way regarding their opinion, but I am 
mildly curious as to the following.

1.  How many people who are adverse to these teens fighting ever fought 
heavy weapons/chivarlic combat?

2.  Of those who have, how many actually fought in a war?

3.  And of those who disagree, how many actually have children or teenaged 
children?

4.  How many of them have fought in an acutal battle in a shield wall or 
charge?

Just curious.

Larissa

>From: Steppes Seneschal <steppes.seneschal at gmail.com>
>Reply-To: Steppes Seneschal <steppes.seneschal at gmail.com>,        "Barony 
>of Steppes - SCA, Inc." <steppes at ansteorra.org>
>To: "Barony of Steppes - SCA, Inc." <steppes at ansteorra.org>
>CC: dukepmg at aol.com, youth-combat at ansteorra.org, elfsea at ansteorra.org
>Subject: Re: [Youth-combat] RE: [Elfsea] RE: [Steppes] Fwd: 
>[Ansteorra]YouthfulCombatants
>Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 01:06:58 -0600
>
>I agree with you completely.
>
>
>On Tue, 11 Jan 2005 21:48:02 -0600, Michael of Langley
><michaeloflangley at hotmail.com> wrote:
> > To all concerned,
> >
> > My concern is that during a melee, such as Gulf Wars, the younger 
>fighters
> > will be indistinguishable from older more seasoned fighters.  At Gulf 
>Wars
> > last year, during the spear tournament, an Ansteorran combatant had his
> > chinstrap broken and the helmet hit him in his face when he took a heavy
> > spear thrust.  This was not in a grand melee, but a two against two 
>spear
> > tournament.  Our KING took the blow well...
> >
> > Now, lets think about a 16 year old, who is still growing, taking a face
> > shot from a fiberglass spear.  Unfortunately, our Earl Marshall will not 
>be
> > there to make sure that the fighters are going to take it easy on them 
>and
> > not bruise them too much.  The younger fighters, still maturing, will be 
>at
> > the mercy of the opposing force - I stress the "still maturing" part.
> >
> > We wear pads now and have parents attend the tournaments for a two fold
> > reason, to avoid unnecessary injuries and law suits and to get the 
>parents
> > more involved with their youth combatants.  A lawsuit can be placed 
>against
> > anyone for any reason - waiver or not (and while it may not stand up in
> > court, it must still be defended against).  Is it worth it? I can hear 
>it
> > now when the first serious injury occurs - "You said he was ready and 
>that
> > big guy just hit him way to hard!!! Who is going to pay all these doctor
> > bills! Why didn't someone stop him! I would have stopped him if I was 
>here
> > watching (but because I was on merchants row because I'm not REQUIRED to 
>be
> > here - I was off shopping for my wife/husband)."
> >
> > Whether we want to acknowledge it or not, we have fighters with 
>prejudices -
> > "I'm gonna smack every (girl/Saracen/crusader/guy/archer/whatever) as 
>hard
> > as I can when I see them, because they shouldn't be on the field".  
>After
> > the blow is thrown, "Oh, I'm so sorry - I didn't mean to hit you that 
>hard!"
> > rarely makes up for it.  Yes, we are always chivalrous and say "Its ok - 
>no
> > problem - groan..." but inside, we're secretly hoping they get creamed 
>on
> > the field and we get to see it (be honest).
> >
> > What will we say when a 16 year old is carried off with broken ribs, or 
>a
> > ruptured spleen from too hard of a thrust? "Oh, sorry kid, that's life - 
>can
> > we get a 'Lay on' here?"
> >
> > My SINCERE hope is that one of our youth fighters NEVER has anything 
>like
> > this happen to them.  This may ruffle a few feathers, but the youth 
>fighters
> > are worth it.  They will be 18 soon enough, after all, its only 730 
>days...
> >
> > "...Faith is daring the soul to believe what the eyes cannot see..."
> >
> > Lord Michael of Langley
> > Squire to Sir Corwin von Xanten and Sir Anton Qwith
> > Southern Regional Youth Marshal
> >
> > >From: "Vicki Marsh" <xaraxene at comcast.net>
> > >Reply-To: Youth Combat in Ansteorra <youth-combat at ansteorra.org>
> > >To: "Barony of Elfsea" <elfsea at ansteorra.org>, <steppes at ansteorra.org>,
> > >    <youth-combat at ansteorra.org>
> > >CC: dukepmg at aol.com
> > >Subject: [Youth-combat] RE: [Elfsea] RE: [Steppes] Fwd: [Ansteorra]
> > >YouthfulCombatants
> > >Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2004 18:00:55 -0600
> > >
> > >Xene here:
> > >
> > >I was also in martial arts at the age of 16. Of course, this was a long
> > >time
> > >ago, in the 1970's, but we fought without pads.  My parents didn't have 
>to
> > >stay around to watch, even at the tournaments.  In practice, I sparred
> > >adults, but only the ones that the instructor knew had the ability to 
>spar
> > >with me without hurting me badly. I would get bruises, but nothing 
>major.
> > >The only injury I got was at a tournament from another student that was 
>in
> > >my division. I got smacked in the nose pretty good and it taught me to 
>keep
> > >my guard up. Did my father sue anyone?  No. It was my fault for 
>dropping my
> > >guard:)
> > >As I improved in fighting, the intensity and speed was kicked up a 
>notch,
> > >because the instructor knew I could handle it.
> > >
> > >16 and 17 year olds vary in size and maturity. Some of them are adult
> > >sized,
> > >some are not. Some have good judgement and some don't.  They can 
>legally
> > >drive on the streets, once they get get their training and license, but
> > >they
> > >don't get to jump in all at once. It requires in-classroom training,
> > >behind-the-wheel training, 6 months with an instructional permit (and
> > >driving with someone 21 yrs or older in the car).  They then have 
>another 6
> > >months with a provisional license. See
> > 
> >www.txdps.state.tx.us/administration/driver_licensing_control/graduateddrive
> > >r.htm
> > >Oklahoma also has the GDL (graduated Driver's license) See:
> > >http://www.dps.state.ok.us/dls/gdl.htm
> > >
> > >
> > >I figure if the procedure of increasing responsibility and risk is good
> > >enough for the States of Texas and Oklahoma, it's good enough for
> > >Ansteorra.
> > >
> > >Under the new proposed rules, as I understand it, *I* can decide 
>whether or
> > >not my son is ready or not. Then, the Kingdom Earl Marshal will provide 
>an
> > >impartial decision as to whether or not my son is fit and mature enough 
>to
> > >fight with adults.
> > >That is reasonable.
> > >
> > >My only concern is that if we have a EM who doesn't travel enough, or
> > >parents who aren't able to travel to the EM, they won't be able to have 
>the
> > >requisite approval. Unfortunately, we have had kingdom officers who
> > >virtually fell off the face of the earth during their tenure. If the 
>power
> > >of final approval only rests in one person's hands, it can become a
> > >bottleneck, or a political issue.
> > >
> > >Baroness Xene Theriane, OL, OP
> > >
> > >
> > >-
> > >
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