[Elfsea] Fwd: [Loch-Ruadh] Heraldic Clothing Article

[Estella Flather]

This is a good example of not always believing what you read. I don't know
what the person said about the women in the Luttrell Psalter, but they are
definitely wearing heraldic garments. The miniature from the Luttrell
Psalter showing Geoffrey Luttrell with his horse heraldically barded also
shows a woman wearing a heraldic gown with the arms of Luttrell impaling
Sutton, perhaps his wife Agnes Sutton, and the second lady wears a heraldic
gown with the arms of Luttrell impaling Scrope of Masham. Andrew, Geoffrey's
son was married to Beatrice le Scrope. This information is from The Luttrell
Psalter by Janet Backhouse. It was very important to Medieval families, by
the time heraldry became important, to show all their family connections.
    In service, HE Stella
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  I too found it to be very interesting. However I did notice something in
the last line of the following paragraph;


  The heraldic horse covering shown above, with it's diapered background, is
reminiscent of a fragment of a horse covering, richly embroidered with the
lions of England, believed to have belonged to Edward III (Figure 13).? Few
would doubt that Sir Geoffrey Luttrell might have bedecked his horse in this
way for the tournament.? This being the case, it seems remarkable that there
would be large heraldic embellishments on such things as a nobleman's horse,
and not his wife!??



  It makes perfect sense that the horse would be decorated before the wife.
The horse was ridden by the man in procession, like a billboard saying this
is who I am. The wife would have been, maybe, seen at court where he would
already be known. Most often she would be left at home. And hopefully she
would not be as large a billboard.  Also horses, especially trained
war/tournament horses, were not easy to get and so were very valuable.
Wives on the other hand were not considered to have value. If she died, you
could get another one fairly easily.



  Ly Gabriele


  Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving
safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in
sideways, chocolate in one hand, white russian in the other, body thoroughly
used up, totally worn out and screaming "WOO HOO what a ride!"







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    Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 06:16:17 -0500
    From: klfrench1023 at aol.com
    Subject: [Elfsea] Fwd: [Loch-Ruadh] Heraldic Clothing Article


     A very interesting article--a few great pictures of 13th century
Spanish.  This is worth a look for anyone wanting garb in theme for Steppes
12th Night.

    Caterina


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    Sent: Tue, 31 Oct 2006 12:46 PM
    Subject: [Loch-Ruadh] Heraldic Clothing Article


Just came across this particular article very interesting reading, also very
graphics intensive
http://www.sca.org.au/st_florians/university/library/articles-howtos/heraldr
y/HeraldicFrocksS.htm

Domhnall
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