[Elfsea] OT Trinity River area problems?

Mark Wandrey falconsword at tx.rr.com
Wed Aug 29 18:08:55 PDT 2007


Operating gas mines are almost invisible. You could be ten feet from one and 
except for a mechanical sound you'd have no idea it was there. Gas drilling 
like any deep core drilling is obnoxious, noisy, messy, and can be polluting 
if proper care isn't taken. Would I want one in my back yard? Hell no.  On 
the next block? Sure, I'd be a hypocrite not to agree.

Now, as for energy, I find it deplorable that we are still using gasoline 
internal combustion engines. Because of the pollution? Our modern cars (even 
non-hybrids) are so clean that you can't even kill yourself by running it in 
the garage all night with the doors closed. Most of our vehicular pollution 
in the US comes from diesel trucks, buses and planes. Why aren't we using 
hydrogen, pneumatic, or even all diesel (diesel car engines are both 
cleaner, simpler, and have higher mileage in many cases. and diesel fuel has 
fewer byproducts during refinery). Hell, we could make all our energy needs 
by producing it in orbit and beaming it down via microwave.

Ugh, sorry isn't this an SCA list? LOL!

Iorek the Opinionated, Olde Phart in training.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Miss M Brow" <starstruck503 at hotmail.com>
To: <elfsea at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Elfsea] OT Trinity River area problems?


> Somewhere there was mention of the trelessness needing to last the 
> lifetime
> of the wells, approximately 50 years... have you ever been around a gas
> well... they are nasty and noxious... I guess this *is* a case of NIMBY, 
> and
> I am thinking you don't agree, which is ok... I haven't actually taken 
> sides
> yet, and was just passing on the info in case people wanted to find out
> about it, I am leaning toward not wanting it but am not ready to chain
> myself to any of the trees just yet ;P
>
>
>>From: "Mark Wandrey" <falconsword at tx.rr.com>
>>Reply-To: Barony of Elfsea <elfsea at lists.ansteorra.org>
>>To: "Barony of Elfsea" <elfsea at lists.ansteorra.org>
>>Subject: Re: [Elfsea] OT   Trinity River area problems?
>>Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 17:37:41 -0500
>>
>>NIMBY - Not In My Back Yard.
>>
>>I want cleaner sources of energy, as long as you don't actually use them.
>>CNG or LNG is 20% cleaner than normal gasoline and unlike crude oil, we 
>>not
>>only have enough for all our own needs, but we have enough for more than
>>two
>>centuries.
>>
>>http://www.naturalgas.org/overview/resources.asp
>>
>>http://www.naturalgas.org/business/analysis.asp
>>
>>http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2007-05-08-natural-gas-usat_N.htm?csp=34
>>  - cleaness
>>
>>Land access is considered one of the biggest barriers to obtaining larger
>>reserves of natural gas, and thus severing the arab ubilical forever (at
>>least until we all drive cold fusion fords).
>>
>>The site says 2.5 acres of trees bite it for this well. Hmm. Drill it,
>>clean
>>up afterwards, plant neat new trees. Am I missing a step?
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Miss M Brow" <starstruck503 at hotmail.com>
>>To: <elfsea at lists.ansteorra.org>
>>Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 4:53 PM
>>Subject: [Elfsea] OT Trinity River area problems?
>>
>>
>> > There was a full page ad in the FW Star-Telegram today, concerning an
>>area
>> > sorta close to the Trinity River Park, where Sunday fighter practices
>>will
>> > be held after Labor Day.  Apparently, chesapeake Energy Corp has bought
>> > the
>> > land and is planning on putting gas wells on it.  Some people are
>> > organizing
>> > in hopes of putting enough pressure on CEC to convince them to drill
>> > further
>> > away from the old-growth trees.  I don't have enough data to really
>> > understand it all, but their website is www.trinitytrees.org  for 
>> > anyone
>> > who
>> > is interested in checking out what they have to say... just passing the
>> > info
>> > along.  There are 2 events planned, on 9-3 a    picninc and on 9-6 a
>> > public
>> > forum.   Rua
>> >
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