[Elfsea] brew competitions in event ads

[Amber Cook]

Thank You Cailen I did reply to her privetly when the question was first 
raised then posted about clarifications Thinking that she had only 
accidently sent to the list instead of myself I kept my retort only for her 
I feel that since this all started because of something I dint clarify I 
should be able to say lets drop it I will change the name of the contest 
next time I post about the event (in about a week) In the mean time since 
everyone wants to be such helpfull bunnies in helping me with my first event 
I sugest they be trully helpfull in this event and contact me about 
Volentreering

Thank you all for your consern
Anistashia Rudrefer


>From: "Richard Threlkeld" <rjt at softwareinnovation.com>
>Reply-To: Barony of Elfsea <elfsea at lists.ansteorra.org>
>To: "'Barony of Elfsea'" <elfsea at lists.ansteorra.org>
>Subject: Re: [Elfsea] brew competitions in event ads
>Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2007 17:35:08 -0500
>
>As the autocrat has stated this is a competition and not a drinking 
>contest.
>Brewing contest would not really be correct as some of the items are not
>brewed. Perhaps it is unfortunate that it is easily misconstrued, but she
>did state it accurately.
>
>An event does not need to take money at the gate to be an official SCA
>event. Fighter practice is an official SCA event and I've never seen money
>taken at one.
>
>Please, as a Keystone, take a bit more accommodating view of this 
>autocrat's
>first attempt at putting an event together. Encourage and counsel instead 
>of
>criticizing. And, yes, I should have said this privately to you, but your
>message was public and deserves a public response.
>
>Caelin on Andrede
>
>   _____
>
>From: elfsea-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org
>[mailto:elfsea-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org] On Behalf Of Lisa Wolfe
>Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 17:25 PM
>To: elfsea at lists.ansteorra.org
>Subject: [Elfsea] brew competitions in event ads
>
>
>
>Greetings to all of you,
>
>
>
>This is directed to anyone who is, has or will be stewarding an event in 
>our
>Barony or Kingdom.
>
>
>
>First let me start by saying "I LOVE A PARTY" just as the next person.   I
>have been known to tie-one-on a time or two or three in my SCA career.  (I
>do have some naked skeletons in my closet.) I am not trying to stomp on
>anyone's fun, stop the party, cancel any events or tell anyone not to drink
>at an SCA event.   However..
>
>
>
>If we are accepting money at a gate; therefore it is a SCA sanctioned event
>and not a private party.   If it's an SCA sanctioned event then our group
>accident insurance comes into effect.
>
>For your reference, this appeared on our public list, in our event
>advertisement from the Baron and Baroness and sent by our Seneschal
>concerning A Lamas Day Tribute, August 17th -19th , Mustang Park, 3600
>Winscott Plover Rd, Benbrook Lake, Ft Worth TX - much deleted and in part:
>
>Drink Contests:
>
>Beer/ Ale
>
>Mead
>
>Concoction
>
>
>
>By advertising a drink/drinking contest we are setting ourselves up as a
>group not to be covered under the SCA group insurance should there be any
>accidents which would be covered by our insurance.   Could our Barony,
>Elfsea, or you personally afford to cover the any property, medical or 
>legal
>costs if there is an unforeseen accident or happening where we could be 
>held
>legally liable?
>
>
>
>It is generally a VERY BAD PROCEDURE and heavily frowned upon to advertise 
>a
>party involving alcohol in an SCA event ad.   It doesn't matter whether 
>it's
>a calendar event or not, whether it's in print or via our e-list.
>
>
>
>By advertising that drink contest, in that way, it was it implies our 
>group,
>not the individuals, is supplying the alcohol, especially when no rules or
>any other information is posted on the event advertisement.
>
>
>
>The person who is the steward of the event is by their event warrant
>considered an officer of the Society and is therefore bound by the rules
>devised by the Society.   The same goes for the Seneschal, all other
>warranted officers and the Baron and Baronesses of the group sponsoring the
>event.
>
>
>
>A quick check on-line I found the following:
>
>
>
>The Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc.
>
>Organizational Handbook
>
>April 2001
>
>Revised December 2006
>
>
>
>Sub Section - Corporate Policies of the SCA, Inc.
>
>Page 60 of 65
>
>
>
>VIII. POLICY ON ALCOHOL
>
>Manufacturing, distributing, selling, serving, or furnishing of alcoholic
>beverages by the SCA or its branches or subdivisions is prohibited within
>the United States and its territories.
>
>
>
>The use of any SCA funds for the purchase of potable alcohol, except for
>such quantities as may be necessary for cooking, is prohibited in the 
>United
>States and its territories.
>
>
>
>Officers are not prohibited from serving alcohol; however, it must be done
>as individuals, and not as part of their official duties as officers.
>
>
>
>Officers are not prohibited from giving gifts of alcohol; however, it must
>be done as individuals, and not as part of their official duties as
>officers. Giving or receiving gifts of alcohol in court is not considered 
>to
>be part of an officer's official duties.
>
>
>
>Further .....:
>
>
>
>The Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc.
>
>Seneschal's Handbook
>
>Page 27 of 75
>
>Section IV Host Liquor Coverage
>
>A. Our General Liability provides coverage for claims relating to the
>incidental use of alcohol at events, but not if we go into the business of
>selling or serving alcohol.   Specifically (and these are the "five deadly
>sins"), the SCA cannot manufacture, distribute, sell, serve, or furnish
>alcoholic beverages.  Hence, SCA-sponsored taverns are prohibited.
>Further, SCA funds may NOT be used for the purchase of potable alcohol,
>except for that needed for use in cooking.
>
>
>
>Reference for the above section: Corporate Policies VIII
>
>
>
>Yes I know I am not an attorney or an accountant, but I am educated enough
>to know if some accident were to happen, and we, our group, was not covered
>by the SCA insurance then that leaves the individual persons open to legal
>responsibility.   Somebody is always legally responsible.
>
>
>
>I know we are an honourable society; most of us are intelligent, smart
>people.   But there could always be that one individual who makes a stupid
>choice and creates havoc.  Use your imagination, that's why we have
>insurance.
>
>
>
>My suggestion is on any future event advertisements to delete any further
>reference to a drink contest.   I know its semantics and just words, but
>those specific words have legal meanings.  I know I personally can't afford
>to cover those types of costs.
>
>
>
>You could list it as..
>
>A brew competition sponsored by (list private household or persons).
>
>or
>
>A private cordial/brew/mix competition held at the list field after
>hours/court
>
>or
>
>Prizes offered by (list persons who would be judges) for private entries
>
>
>
>Make sure it states over 21 only.
>
>
>
>Anything but a drink contest.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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