[Elfsea] Big Blue

[Tomas Niallagain]

Well,

   I don't know which way we will want to go, but I can speak for the
reputation of at least 1 reputable pavilion maker.
When our Panther pavilion  got ripped because someone ran a car into it, the
only cost I had for the repair was shipping TO them.  They repaired it and
sent it back at their expense.  I also highly recommend whoever we get a new
pavilion form that we ensure it is 'seam engineered'.  this will ensure the
stresses are on the seams and ropes rather than large expanses of fabric.

Tomás

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Richard Threlkeld <
rjt at softwareinnovation.com> wrote:

>  IMHO it is a combination of a difficult setup and a material that is not
> handling UV radiation very well. The material is getting more fragile and
> prone to rip. And the setup makes it easy to cause rips if you don't do it
> just right. It takes a handful of people to put it up right and we often
> don't have that many available.
>
>
>
> I really like the tent, but maintenance is getting to be a problem. The
> manufacturer of the tent is no longer in business and I understand the
> material is hard to find currently. I have not yet done an exhaustive look
> at alternatives out there. Has anybody else done so recently?
>
>
>
> In service,
>
> Caelin on Andrede
>
>
>
> *From:* elfsea-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org [mailto:
> elfsea-bounces at lists.ansteorra.org] *On Behalf Of *Brandon McDermott
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 14, 2008 10:44 AM
> *To:* Barony of Elfsea
> *Subject:* Re: [Elfsea] Big Blue
>
>
>
> My 2 pence....
>
>
>
> The per use cost is less important in my mind than the ease of use and the
> comfort factor ( the shade and ambiance ). If the time and headache involved
> in its constant upkeep detracts from our families and our weekend fun....we
> should replace it and get back to enjoying our families, our friends, and
> ourselves whatever the cost. On a more tangible note, is the design of Blue
> the major contributing factor in it's constant need for upkeep? Is it Poor
> craftsmanship? Is it poor maintenance? Improper set up and tear down?
>
>   If it is a poor design or craftsmanship, we can simply replace the
> damaged portion with a properly designed and constructed top. If it is a
> maintenance and/or a setup/tear-down issue,we can teach and learn a better
> way. If it is a general pain in the rear all the way a round sell it and get
> an easier ( what period pavilion is easy?) to set up and maintain pavilion
> so we can get back to the enjoyment part... :-)
>
>    If any one person spends more time worrying about Blue than enjoying
> her.... We all lose.
>
>
>
> Lochlan
>
>
>
>
>
> *Dragonetti <dragonetti at generich.com>* wrote:
>
> Greetings!
>
>
>
> Well to get the ball rolling, these are the first things that popped into
> my pea brain....I'm not advocating anything in particular though.
>
>
>
> 1. What did we originally pay for it (approximately) and how much
> (approximately) have we spent repairing it so far? Roughly speaking, how
> many times have we used it?
>
>
>
> With those questions answered, what has it cost us per use? Have we gotten
> our money's worth, and if not, is it reasonable to think we ever will?
> Especially if we continue to need repairs after each use?
>
>
>
> (I suggest also considering the less tangible costs of dealing with Big
> Blue, it takes time from "someone's" schedule to either do minor repairs or
> transport it to a place that can do them, the hassle of setup/teardown,
> loading and unloading, etc. some of which will exist with any pavilion, but
> the size sometimes makes it onerous if there are too few folks to help.)
>
>
>
> 2. What are the benefits that might justify the "costs"?  It may be a
> source of pride for some, as it is fairly impressive looking. Does it help
> attract prospects and other folks at demos and events? Does it help us
> appear more credible at say "Highland Games" than a series of small
> pavilions would?
>
>
>
> 3. With cost per use established, we have a benchmark to compare the
> cost/benefit or return-on-investment of any proposed replacement.
>
>
>
> 4. If we choose to retire it, what will replace it? And what is our budget
> for such? Does it "need" to be replaced?
>
>
>
> 5. If retired, could we make use of it for other purposes? (ie, cut up into
> banners, signage, mundanity covers for use by the populace, maybe use the
> walls to mask/hide parking areas at events, etc.)
>
>
>
> 6. Would it be more cost effective to simply try and sell it "as-is"?
>
>
>
> I'm sure there are lots of ways to approach this, but that's all I've got
> time for at the moment. I'm very pleased to see the leadership in addressing
> the situation. EVERYONE should be able to contribute to some degree and be
> part of this process. NOW is the time to help out by speaking up.
>
>
>
> Just my initial thoughts.
>
>
>
> -=Armand=-
>
>
>
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Jhan Knebel
>
> Greetings Friends,
>
> At Springfaire, due to the condition of Big Blue the autocrat staff decided
> not to take it to the event and set it up. This turned out to be a good
> idea, as Big Blue in it's current condition would not have survived the
> event and the 55 mph wind gusts.
>
> So, here is my question to the Barony:
>
> We have a pavilion that is not functional, and it appears may be too much
> to repair, as we have learned that it will continue to rip. What ideas do
> you have for fixing this situation?
>
> In Service and the spirit of discussion,
>
> Rixende
>
> --
> Honorable Lady Rixende de Rouen, CIM, CSM
> Central Region Rapier Marshal
> Quidam audit valde, facit valde
>
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