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<P><FONT COLOR="#0000FF" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">The arguement you have laid forth is interesting, but fails in that what Kingdom Law says, (of which I am taking your word on), does nothing more than what alot of our Kingdom law does in a variety of areas : Place FURTHER strictures than corpora does. Just as there are minimal requirements put out for fighting by the Society, and the Kingdom has the rules maintained by the Earl Marshall which expand and add to this.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT COLOR="#0000FF" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Please remember that His Excellency is trying to make this game better, is not after those people who have leather hiking boots or such, but is trying to stop the blatantly modern, and those items which in the blatant modernality might give unfair advantages (ie : Soccer shoes with spiked soles give much better traction, tear up the listfield, and always are marked with very modern symbolism which does not encourage the dream.)</FONT></P>
<P><FONT COLOR="#0000FF" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Timothy</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=1 FACE="Arial">-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><B><FONT SIZE=1 FACE="Arial">From: </FONT></B> <FONT SIZE=1 FACE="Arial">Amy & Bill Morris [SMTP:awmorris@flash.net]</FONT>
<BR><B><FONT SIZE=1 FACE="Arial">Sent: </FONT></B> <FONT SIZE=1 FACE="Arial">Tuesday, August 03, 1999 11:00 AM</FONT>
<BR><B><FONT SIZE=1 FACE="Arial">To: </FONT></B> <FONT SIZE=1 FACE="Arial">elfsea@Ansteorra.ORG</FONT>
<BR><B><FONT SIZE=1 FACE="Arial">Subject: </FONT></B> <FONT SIZE=1 FACE="Arial">Re: ES - Elfsea Defender</FONT>
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<P><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">SCA law and custom state that anyone who ATTEMPTS to maintain a</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">period appearance is welcome in the SCA. So newbies, or poor college</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">students who make a reasonable attempt given their experience and budget</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">are always welcome. And this has always been tempered by common sense</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">regarding eyeglasses baby stuff, etc. </FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial"> Kingdom law states that nothing blatantly modern may be displayed</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">without crown or autocrat permission. This has never been enforced as</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">written, exceptions have always been made for tents, baby stuff,</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">toilets, handicapped equipment, etc. Permission is assumed, even if</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">never given. If enforced as written this would conflict with the SCA</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">and would have to be removed from kingdom law.</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial"> Could someone more familiar with SCA policies check this, it would</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">seem possible that as a branch, we can not deny participation to anyone</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">making a reasonable attempt to appear period. I have seen similar</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">things done but always by a household.</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial"> </FONT>
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<P><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">mblareau wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> </FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> THANK YOU "we lose sight that this is just for fun and not everyone can</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> afford 500$ boots.</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> </FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> Robert Singleton wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > "Marsh, Todd W." wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > > The SCA has always had a rule that everyone must make "some attempt at</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > > period clothing" to attend an event.</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > > Please help spread the word that this rule will be enforced at Elfsea</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > > Defender on the list field. This means that people wearing excessively</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > > mundane clothes or SHOES will not be allowed to enter the tournaments.</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > ></FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > > Any questions?</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > A couple of questions, actually...</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > Obviously, T-shirt, jeans and Reboks would be right out, no argument.</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > The grey areas would be of more concern. How would "excessively mundane"</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > clothes or shoes be defined and by whom? Will newcomers be held to a</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > different standard than veterans? How about veteran players who are</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > newbie fighters? When does a newbie lose newbie status? What if two</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > fighters are wearing the same or very similar boots but one is denied a</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > tournament and the other gets to play? I know that if I were not allowed</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > to fight due to such a rule, I would be taking a very careful inventory</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > of EVERY fighter's gear. I don't feel that is the spirit of what we are</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > doing here.</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > I agree that everyone, including myself, needs to take steps to</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > eliminate as much mundanity as possible, however, I now feel a little</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > nervous about a planned purchase of new boots to fight in. What if they</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > (for example) are deemed inappropriate for what will likely be the first</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > actual tourney I have fought in? Not a nice first tourney experience.</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > Lord Robert of Slugglen</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > --</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > -------------------------</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > Robert Singleton</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > Robert of Slugglen</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > House Mac An Ghabhann</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > Canton of Loch Ruadh</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > Kingdom of Ansteorra</FONT>
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<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > People need to give Bill Clinton a little slack. He is doing the work of</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > three men:</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> > Larry, Curly, and Moe.</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR="#000000" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">> ></FONT>
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