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<DIV><SPAN class=876581603-13122000><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>You
have several options: get permission to conflict from Diana de Savigny,
modify your device enough </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=876581603-13122000><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>to get
another CD, or start over. With any of these, you may then resubmit (a timely
resubmit does not </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=876581603-13122000><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>require </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=876581603-13122000><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>another fee in Ansteorra). </FONT></SPAN><SPAN
class=876581603-13122000><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>There are several
easy changes which might erase this conflict: changing tinctures, changing the
decrescent </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=876581603-13122000><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>to
something else, adding a chief, adding a bordure, etc. Some of these are
SCAisms. That is, they were fairly</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=876581603-13122000><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>rare
in period, but fairly common in the SCA. Any such changes can be checked against
the O&A (Ordinary and </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=876581603-13122000><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Armorial) and submitted to SCAHRLDS for a quick check before
resubmitting. If it gets by all these checks, it </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=876581603-13122000><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>will
probably pass Laurel (but nothing is certain).</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=876581603-13122000><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=876581603-13122000><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Unless
others on the Elfsea list want to follow this, we should probably
<DIV><SPAN class=876581603-13122000><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>move
it to SCAHRLDS which is a known world list for heralds. They do this kind of
thing all the time.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV>On the other hand, if Elfsea wants to do participate in this and you are
willing, we can keep it here.</FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=876581603-13122000><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=876581603-13122000><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Caelin</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> owner-elfsea@ansteorra.org
[mailto:owner-elfsea@ansteorra.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Sue
Dittrich<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 12, 2000 7:39 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
elfsea@ansteorra.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: ES - Heraldic
question<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Here's the info from the LoAR
report.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Geneviève del Gamba. Device. Azure, a
decrescent within an orle of fleurs-de-lys argent. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2> Conflict with Diana
de Savigny, Azure, a decrescent within seven trees in orle argent. There is
only a single<BR> CD for the change in type of the
secondary charges.<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>Thanks!</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Genevieve</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=274343301-13122000><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>What is the blazon of the original device (or describe it in English)
and with whom did it conflict?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=274343301-13122000><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Caelin</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
owner-elfsea@ansteorra.org [mailto:owner-elfsea@ansteorra.org]<B>On Behalf
Of </B>Sue Dittrich<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, December 12, 2000 6:58
PM<BR><B>To:</B> elfsea@ansteorra.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> ES - Heraldic
question<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>I have a heraldic question. I found out that my
device was returned due to a conflict with another device (though my name
passed with correction...now Genevieve del Gamba) and I would like to know
what to do now. Any help would be great! Thanks!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>In Service,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Genevieve del
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