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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=533382922-01072007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>As the autocrat has stated this is a competition and not a
drinking contest. Brewing contest would not really be correct as some of the
items are not brewed. Perhaps it is unfortunate that it is easily misconstrued,
but she did state it accurately.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=533382922-01072007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=533382922-01072007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>An event does not need to take money at the gate to be an
official SCA event. Fighter practice is an official SCA event and I've never
seen money taken at one. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=533382922-01072007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=533382922-01072007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Please, as a Keystone, take a bit more accommodating view
of this autocrat's first attempt at putting an event together. Encourage and
counsel instead of criticizing. And, yes, I should have said this privately to
you, but your message was public and deserves a public
response.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=533382922-01072007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=533382922-01072007><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>Caelin on Andrede</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> elfsea-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org
[mailto:elfsea-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Lisa
Wolfe<BR><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 01, 2007 17:25 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
elfsea@lists.ansteorra.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> [Elfsea] brew competitions in
event ads<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Greetings to all of
you,</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><FONT face="Times New Roman">This is directed to anyone who
is, has or will be stewarding an event in our Barony or Kingdom.
</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><FONT face="Times New Roman">First let me start by saying
"I LOVE A PARTY" just as the next person.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>I have been known to tie-one-on a time or two or three in my SCA
career.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(I do have some naked
skeletons in my closet.) I am not trying to stomp on anyone's fun, stop the
party, cancel any events or tell anyone not to drink at an SCA event. <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>However….</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><FONT face="Times New Roman">If we are accepting money at a
gate; therefore it is a SCA sanctioned event and not a private party. <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>If it's an SCA sanctioned event then our
group accident insurance comes into effect.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><FONT face="Times New Roman">For your reference, this appeared on our public
list, in our event advertisement from the Baron and Baroness and sent by our
Seneschal concerning A Lamas Day Tribute, August 17th -19<SUP>th </SUP>, Mustang
Park, 3600 Winscott Plover Rd, Benbrook Lake, Ft Worth TX - much deleted and in
part:</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><SPAN
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: bold"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Drink
Contests:</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><SPAN lang=EN-IE
style="COLOR: black; mso-ansi-language: EN-IE"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Beer/ Ale</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><SPAN lang=EN-IE
style="COLOR: black; mso-ansi-language: EN-IE"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Mead</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><SPAN lang=EN-IE
style="mso-ansi-language: EN-IE"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Concoction</FONT></SPAN></P>
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style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><FONT face="Times New Roman">By advertising a
drink/drinking contest we are setting ourselves up as a group not to be covered
under the SCA group insurance should there be any accidents which would be
covered by our insurance. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Could
our Barony, Elfsea, or you personally afford to cover the any property, medical
or legal costs if there is an unforeseen accident or happening where we could be
held legally liable? <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><FONT face="Times New Roman">It is generally a VERY BAD
PROCEDURE and heavily frowned upon to advertise a party involving alcohol in an
SCA event ad. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It doesn't matter
whether it's a calendar event or not, whether it's in print or via our
e-list.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><FONT face="Times New Roman">By advertising that drink
contest, in that way, it was it implies our group, not the individuals, is
supplying the alcohol, especially when no rules or any other information is
posted on the event advertisement. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><FONT face="Times New Roman">The person who is the steward
of the event is by their event warrant considered an officer of the Society and
is therefore bound by the rules devised by the Society. <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The same goes for the Seneschal, all
other warranted officers and the Baron and Baronesses of the group sponsoring
the event.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT> </P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman">A quick check
on-line I found the following:</FONT></P>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">The Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc.</FONT>
</SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Organizational Handbook</FONT></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">April 2001</FONT></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><B><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Revised December
2006</FONT></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><B><FONT
face="Times New Roman"></FONT></B> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><B><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Sub Section - Corporate Policies of the SCA,
Inc.</FONT></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><B><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Page 60 of 65</FONT></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><B><FONT
face="Times New Roman"></FONT></B> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><B><FONT
face="Times New Roman">VIII. POLICY ON ALCOHOL</FONT></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Manufacturing,
distributing, selling, serving, or furnishing of alcoholic beverages by the SCA
or its branches or subdivisions is prohibited within the United States and its
territories. </FONT></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"></FONT></B> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><FONT face="Times New Roman">The use of any
SCA funds for the purchase of potable alcohol, except for such quantities as may
be necessary for cooking, is prohibited in the United States and its
territories.</FONT></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"></FONT></B> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Officers are
not prohibited from serving alcohol; however, it must be done as individuals,
and not as part of their official duties as officers. </FONT></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"></FONT></B> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Officers are
not prohibited from giving gifts of alcohol; however, it must be done as
individuals, and not as part of their official duties as officers. Giving or
receiving gifts of alcohol in court is not considered to be part of an officer's
official duties. </FONT></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"></FONT></B> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Further
………….:</FONT></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"></FONT></B> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">The Society for Creative Anachronism, Inc.</FONT>
</SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Seneschal's Handbook</FONT></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Page 27 of 75</FONT></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Section IV Host Liquor Coverage</FONT></SPAN></B> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">A. Our General Liability provides coverage for claims
relating to the incidental use of alcohol at events, but not if we go into the
business of selling or serving alcohol. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>Specifically (and these are the "five deadly sins"), the SCA cannot
manufacture, distribute, sell, serve, or furnish alcoholic beverages.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Hence, SCA-sponsored taverns are
prohibited. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Further, SCA funds may
NOT be used for the purchase of potable alcohol, except for that needed for use
in cooking.</FONT></SPAN></B></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><FONT
face="Times New Roman"></FONT></SPAN></B> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><B
style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="COLOR: black"><FONT
face="Times New Roman">Reference for the above section: Corporate Policies VIII
</FONT></SPAN></B></P>
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style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Yes I know I am not an
attorney or an accountant, but I am educated enough to know if some accident
were to happen, and we, our group, was not covered by the SCA insurance then
that leaves the individual persons open to legal responsibility. <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Somebody is always legally
responsible.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><FONT face="Times New Roman">I know we are an honourable
society; most of us are intelligent, smart people.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>But there could always be that one
individual who makes a stupid choice and creates havoc.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Use your imagination, that's why we have
insurance.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><FONT face="Times New Roman">My suggestion is on any future
event advertisements to delete any further reference to a drink contest. <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I know its semantics and just words, but
those specific words have legal meanings.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>I know I personally can't afford to cover those types of costs. <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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style="COLOR: black"><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><FONT face="Times New Roman">You could list it as….
</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><FONT face="Times New Roman">A brew competition sponsored
by (list private household or persons)…</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><FONT face="Times New Roman">or</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><FONT face="Times New Roman">A private cordial/brew/mix
competition held at the list field after hours/court</FONT> </SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
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style="COLOR: black"><FONT face="Times New Roman">or</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Prizes offered by (list
persons who would be judges) for private entries</FONT></SPAN> </P>
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style="COLOR: black"><FONT face="Times New Roman"></FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Make sure it states over 21
only.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; mso-layout-grid-align: none"><SPAN
style="COLOR: black"><FONT face="Times New Roman">Anything but a drink
contest.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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