Dancers like titles. You should see some of the introductions they give. Pearl of the northern seas, jewel of the night, moon of joy etc. They do not mean anything or claim any relationship. There can be many pearls-jewels or moons. You can see the term "pearl of" use in many descriptions. Usually groups use the words Champion of or a catch word of title as in title bard, title artisan etc. Or they make the word a title like Defender or Warlord or Protector. If we had a dancing champion they would be Dancer of Elfsea. I think, but I am not sure this is what the groups that have a "Dancer" use this form. I think they may use "Middle Easten Dancer". Do you know what the kingdom uses? I will change it to to "jewel of Elfsea". We did bring up the term at moot and as no one told us no when we talked about it the guild thought it was OK. I will stress that this is coming from the Middle Eastern Guild of Elfsea and it isn't a regular affair. Not all competition need to be an yearly thing. This is on the same level as the Iron chef thing. I do not understand why we can't reclaim our Middle Eastern Dance Championship. As a dancer of Elfsea I wasn't asked if I wanted our Dance Competition turned into the Kingdom Dance Champion and after working on it for many years I certainly wasn't please when it was taken away. With the Kingdom dance contest somewhere else why can't we start up the Elfsea's one again? I would asked the question why can't we go back and do lots of things we used to do? If the people of Elfsea are willing to put them on why can't they be done? willow ________________________________________________________________________ Get Juno DSL - the easier, safer broadband! http://track.juno.com/s/lc?u=http://ads.addynamix.com/click/2-2125045-32