The cooks guild gets to do this title "Elfsea Defender Siege Chef Extraordinaire". Isn't this even more suggestive? I was trying to follow some of the middle eastern styles. More words would make it seem to serious. I also think you have the "of" thing backwards. You can't be Baron Elfsea but you can be Baron of Elfsea. When I came up with this idea it was clearly stated "I could do this but it would not be supported by "Elfsea". I was told I could only do this as an outsider not a member of "Elfsea". I argued the point that I have lived in Elfsea for 15 years and my husband was part of the group that first petition for this area to be a shire and we were on the first bid as b&b so we thought we were Elfsea. I believed that as a member of Elfsea (that of word again) I could sponsor something as an Elfsean. When the other members of the Middle Eastern dance guild supported the project I thought we got permission to do it as members of Elfsea. What is the Problem? Why can the Cooks do something and we can't? willow ________________________________________________________________________ Get Juno DSL - the easier, safer broadband! http://track.juno.com/s/lc?u=http://ads.addynamix.com/click/2-2125045-32