<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">This is why I love you Gunthar! To inspire us to look within!! And yes I know you and yours will always welcome me...<br><br>To answer your questions, I won't stand here and say it was all the officer's fault...by no means. I certainly immediately became frustrated with said person when the wearing of garb was presented not as an offer but as a demand. It was the "or else" perspective that angered me. I had no issue discussing it with my guests but they were truly not interested and I wasn't going to force them. Now this was their first time and at first they were interested in learning more and getting garb for the next time but now they've lost interest. Yes they did pay, without getting a refund I might add.
<br><br>How long were they there? About an hour, maybe two. Were they rude to the officer? No. They said nothing to her. I was the voice the entire time. Was I rude? No but my tone wasn't pleasant.<br><br>I really don't want to make a big deal out of this. I brought it up because I see bad trends happening throughout the kingdom and I wish for them to be addressed. I want us to move forward in a more positive direction, to accept everyone and, most of all, have fun.<br><br>Gwen<br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>From: Michael Gunter <countgunthar@hotmail.com><br>To: Barony of Elfsea <elfsea@lists.ansteorra.org><br>Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2008 1:10:17 PM<br>Subject: Re: [Elfsea] Why people are not staying<br><br><style>
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</style> <div class="EC_Section1"><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">> "your presence here is ruining our ambiance".</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">>Never have I been more ashamed of this society</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">>then at that moment; I don't care if it was a high</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">>persona event, it was exceptionally rude and uncalled for.</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman';"> </span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">There are a couple of ways to look at this. One is that part</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">of the very few site rules states that all participants and visitors</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">should make an attempt to blend in. If the rude person who</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">came up had offered some spare tunics to throw over their</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman';">mundanes, would your friends have balked? </span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">Some people consider our events to be Renn-Faires where</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">we are there to perform for them. </span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"></span></font> </p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">Of course this could have been handled much better, possibly</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">on both
sides. The person was within her rights to ask your</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">friends to leave. Especially if they hadn't paid admission fees.</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">The event is a kind of private party with rules the attendees</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">need to abide with. </span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"></span></font> </p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">Okay, that caveat aside, we
usually welcome visitors and</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">explain a bit about what is going on. I took time from fighting</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">at Spring Faire (and losing points in doing so) to explain</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">fighting to a group of visitors in mundanes. We welcome</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">visitors who are only there for a bit because perhaps</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman';">the next time they will pay to come in and wear a tunic. </span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"></span></font> </p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">"High Personna" tournaments, especially as I've seen some</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">done by Bryn Gwlad (I'm not saying this was one of them</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">since I wasn't there) have tended to be a bit stuffy and smug.</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman';">People speaking "forsoothly" when it suits them or looking</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">down on others not dressed as well or acting the way they</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">want them to. </span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"></span></font> </p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">An example of "High Personna" in a good way was always</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">the Lions Tournaments put on
by Hrabia Jan or some of the</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">old "Culture Camp" Elfsea Springfaires. The last Three Kings</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">felt much like a good High Personna event. </span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"></span></font> </p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">I didn't go to Bryn Gwlad because it felt rather like one of</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">the stuffy High Personna type events. We
had been too</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">busy preparing for my Laurel Ceremony, Reception, and</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">all the rest for Warlord to get all the things requested of</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">visitors to Lysts ready. It looked fun and I really applaud their</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">effort in putting together as close to a period event as possible.</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family:
'Times New Roman';">I just didn't have the time or ability to get everything ready </span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">just so I could attend.</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"></span></font> </p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">I don't want to defend the rude actions of the person who approached</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">Gwen but I also wonder how the situation occurred. How long</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New
Roman';">had her friends been there? Were they rude to the lady requesting</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">they cover themselves? Some events are more designed to welcome</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">mundanes than others. And, as stated earlier, I think the approach</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">could probably have been a heck of a lot more polite.</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"></span></font> </p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt;
font-family: 'Times New Roman';">Gwen, you know not everyone is dismissive or impolite in our</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">group. You have faced some bad times and rude people, but you</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">also know you and your family are welcome with us at any time.</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">Not every event is the same and not every person is. Enjoy</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">the good and shake your head sadly at the bad.</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times
New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"></span></font> </p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">Yers,</span></font></p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';"></span></font> </p><p class="EC_MsoPlainText"><font face="Times New Roman" size="3"><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman';">Gunthar</span></font></p></div></blockquote><br><hr>Instantly invite friends from <a target="_blank" href="http://www.facebook.com/">Facebook</a> and other social networks to join you on Windows Live™ Messenger. <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="https://www.invite2messenger.net/im/?source=TXT_EML_WLH_InviteFriends">Invite friends now!</a></div></div></div><br>
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