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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial><SPAN class=203290222-10062008>The
truth of the matter is not that "Elfsea did not want to see Three Bridges
restarted". The college is a tremendous resource of potential participants and
useful, economical facilities. What was conveyed was that a UTA student group
needed to be established for a mere 6 months to demonstrate that any effort to
restart Three Bridges would not be so much tilting-at-windmills. We were
prepared to offer support, but we..personally...did not have the time to sit
down with UTA's administrators and "make a student group happen" for
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial><SPAN class=203290222-10062008>The
B&B and officers of the group are pulled in many directions by numerous
groups and individuals, and while usually ready to lend support, cannot be
expected to do the leg work of every request that comes their way, no
matter how desirable or good the suggestion. Personal responsibility and
initiative are needed by more than just the B&B.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial><SPAN class=203290222-10062008>I do not
wish to be harsh or insensitive, but it should be apparent that we are no longer
content to let accusations, falsehoods or spin go unanswered. We have made our
share of mistakes. We will make more in the future, but we will call our blows
when we are aware we are wrong. I do find it odd that with the level of
"discontent" and the hordes of folks who feel similarly, that this is the type
of evidence laid at our feet. In the mediation with HG last year, when put on
the spot to support accusations of being treated unfairly, oppressed or even
unaccommadated, the only example uttered (after a long pause) was something that
had occurred while Seamus and Maggie were the B&B. ?!?!?! After weeks
to prepare a list of grievances? </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B>
elfsea-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org [mailto:elfsea-bounces@lists.ansteorra.org]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>eleanor cleavely<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 10, 2008 4:53
PM<BR><B>To:</B> elfsea@lists.ansteorra.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Elfsea] Lord
Jonathan's email<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>Lord Jonathan Bernard said:<BR><BR>"Ameline here is one of the
ideas yours that was stop, Restarting of Three Bridges at the UTA. We were
told that populates (sic) of Elfsea did not want Three Bridges and at the meet
you had with Willow last defender she was told that the Three Bridges would
take way from you officer pool. We do not see how recruiting young Collage
(sic) students would harm Elfsea as at the moment UTA we are not recruiting
many of the students at the Collage (sic). I know from the number student that
my brother had recruit that we would had enough to keep it going before my
brother and myself left only if we had it running. Most of the student I am
talking about are 19-25 and living in the dorms. I hate to say almost none of
those students at UTA are in the officer pool to become baronial officer or
even be a deputy to the baronial officer because they not full cook, can not
afford do to the gas price to go to moot or business meet far from collage
(sic) and they might not stay after finishing their degree. But after time
with Three bridges they would be in the officer pool. The student at UTA are
poor collage (sic) student live off of raman, They need at campus close by
their own Fighter practices, meeting that they can make and event on the
campus that can make with costing them lots of money. Lord Jonathan
Bernard"<BR><BR><BR>My lord,<BR><BR>As someone who started out as a member of
the College of Three Bridges, served as an officer (1999-2002), and was
present when the college was removed from Incipient status so many years ago,
I feel I am a bit qualified to address your email. <BR><BR>The College of
Three Bridges, as much as I love the place and as dear to my heart as it is,
will never be the booming success we want it to be. Why? Well, if I knew that
reason I would be a very important person. No matter how many demos we do or
how many ways we try to recruit, we've never had more than 10 members at any
one time (please correct me if I'm wrong). Yes, college students aren't rich.
I think that is what my mother likes to call a "moo point". With respect to
"close practices", UTA is less than FIVE MILES from our current practice. Why
not encourage those students to come to Sunday practice. I am pretty certain
that college students have some time on Sunday they could devote to our
fighter practice. Introduce them to the Barony, the fighters, and the
artisans. Show them how to get involved within and prepare them for later
offices. THEN, and only then, would bringing the College back be a viable
option. Why? Because if those students can tough it out in the Barony proper
and show by actions that they can lead and support themselves as a group, then
perhaps they would be ready to restart the College. It was tough the first
time getting it really, really going and viable enough that the Crown thought
we were stable enough to be independent. It's going to be even tougher this
time, since it's folded at least twice.<BR><BR>I guess my point is: Perhaps HE
Ameline had a reason behind not wanting to restart Three Bridges. Perhaps it
would have been a waste of resources. I don't know. I wasn't there. What I can
say is that I would have agreed with Her Excellency in this decision, no
matter how much it would have hurt me as a member of the College. I believe
she was in the right in this situation. However, I find it a bit hard to
swallow that Her Excellency stated that College students would be "harmful" to
the Barony. As a member for the last 9 years, I have yet to see ANY barony
state that having a College would be detrimental or harmful to ANY group.
<BR><BR>So, you see there is always two sides to every story. Perhaps instead
of reading in to what Her Excellency may or may not have been thinking at the
time, you should have asked for clarification or at least have taken an
objective look at what has not worked in the past with regards to the College.
<BR><BR>Again, I make no claim that I was there or that I know any more about
the situation than anyone else. As someone who helped run the College for
three years and worked very hard along with Master Phillip, Lady Aurelia, and
others to keep it viable, I feel I could at least speak to why it may or may
not have been a feasible idea. I hope that this has at least helped a little.
If not, well, it's worth the paper it's printed on.<BR><BR>Ever in service
with a song and a smile,<BR>Lady Eleanor Cleavely<BR><BR>-- <BR>"Mine honor is
my life; both grow in one;<BR>take honor from me and my life is
done."<BR>--William Shakespeare<BR><BR>Ego existo obstinantus - I am
resolved<BR><BR>Reluctor ultum , pareo parum - Resist much, obey little
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