<head><style>body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}p{margin:0px;}</style></head><body><font color="#000000"><font size="2"><font face="arial,sans-serif">You're not in disagreement about the peerage, only about use of language. I personally don't want to play language games to make my point.<br><br>When I first joined, I heard someone say, "We don't makes peers; we recognize them." While I agree with the sentiment, the words are false, since we've defined "peer" to mean "member of a peerage order". What we should say is "making somebody a peer doesn't grant them worth; it recognizes the worth that is already there (and augments their job description)."<br><br>Similarly, peers have indeed earned the peerage, but more importantly, they and many others have earned high levels of respect. <br><br>I fundamentally believe that people will receive all awards, honors and order memberships that they have earned. But I do *not* believe that they will necessarily receive them when they have earned them.<br><br>So play, work, excel, and don't sweat the award system.<br><br>Which is what we have all meant, using very different words.<br></font></font></font><blockquote style="padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 0px; border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 255);">-----Original Message-----
<br>From: Dan Baker <lordrhys@gmail.com>
<br>Sent: May 18, 2011 9:21 AM
<br>To: Barony of Elfsea <elfsea@lists.ansteorra.org>
<br>Subject: Re: [Elfsea] EXTERNAL: Re: Introduction
<br><br>I can see your point. I try and stay away from the term earn because it makes it sound like a merit badge and that you are not a peer until you have that badge. I say you are a peer when people see you as a peer, and the title by that time is secondary. I have had numerous Laurels tell me they see me as a peer, and that is the goal I am satisfied with. I may eventually gain the Title, but it is not something I strive for. But I am always willing to discuss a point. I can most oft be found on the fencing field or in the A&S classes. <br>
<br>-Capten Rhys<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 10:33 PM, Richard Threlkeld <span dir="ltr"><<a target="_blank" href="mailto:rjt@softwareinnovation.com">rjt@softwareinnovation.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div dir="ltr"><font color="#000000" face="Tahoma" size="2">I believe the Crown recognizes a person is a peer as does the peerage circle. However, I believe you earn the title by working on yourself to learn, practice, and become what you believe a peer to
be. You have goals for yourself in the areas of teaching, mentoring, leadership, artistry, and more. To achieve those you learn to think and be a slightly (or in some cases more than slightly) different way. And that change may be what people see when they
say "he is my peer". I'd love to talk with you more about this in person. I'm usually found with a camera in my hands when I'm found at all.</font></div>
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