[Glaslyn] FW: God vs. science
Doug Turnage
wolf7777777 at hotmail.com
Mon Apr 13 05:59:19 PDT 2009
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:08:26 -0700
From: bhill46 at yahoo.com
Subject: God vs. science
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I think this is a pretty good argument....certainly makes you think!
> This is very interesting. I encourage everyone to read this to its
> conclusion. It may answer some questions in the minds of any
> non-believers.............>
>
>>
>> GOD vs. SCIENCE
>>
>> This one will keep your attention to the end. It really
>> makes you think.
>>
>> A professor begins his school year with a lecture to the
>> students, 'Let me explain the problem science has with
>> religion.' The atheist professor of philosophy pauses
>> before his class and then asks one of his new students to
>> stand.
>>
>> 'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?
>>
>> 'Yes sir,' the student says.
>>
>> 'So you believe in God?'
>>
>> 'Absolutely.'
>>
>> 'Is God good?'
>>
>> 'Sure! God's good.'
>>
>> 'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?'
>>
>> 'Yes..'
>>
>> 'Are you good or evil?'
>>
>> 'The Bible says I'm evil.'
>>
>> The professor grins knowingly.
>>
>> 'Aha! The Bible!' He considers for a moment.
>> 'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a
>> sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it.
>> Would you help him? Would you try?'
>>
>> 'Yes sir, I would.'
>>
>> 'So you're good.'
>>
>> 'I wouldn't say that..'
>>
>> 'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed
>> person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God
>> doesn't.'
>>
>> The student does not answer, so the professor continues.
>>
>> 'He doesn't, does He? My brother was a Christian
>> who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal
>> him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that
>> one?'
>>
>> The student remains silent.
>>
>> 'No, you can't, can you?' the professor says.
>>
>> He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give
>> the student time to relax.
>>
>> 'Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?'
>>
>> 'Errr yes,' the student says.
>>
>> 'Is Satan good?'
>>
>> The student doesn't hesitate on this one. 'No.'
>>
>>
>> 'Then where does Satan come from?'
>>
>> The student falters. 'From God'
>>
>> 'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell
>> me, son. Is there evil in this world?'
>>
>> 'Yes, sir.'
>>
>> 'Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make
>> everything, correct?'
>>
>> 'Yes.'
>>
>> 'So who created evil?'
>>
>> The professor continued,
>>
>> 'If God created everything, then God created evil,
>> since evil exists, and according to the principle that our
>> works define who we are, then God is evil.'
>>
>> Again, the student has no answer.
>>
>> 'Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All
>> these terrible things, do they exist in this world?'
>>
>> The student squirms on his feet.
>>
>> 'Yes.'
>>
>> 'So who created them?'
>>
>> The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats
>> his question.
>>
>> 'Who created them?'
>>
>> There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away
>> to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized.
>>
>> 'Tell me,' he continues onto another student.
>> 'Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?'
>>
>> The student's voice betrays him and cracks.
>>
>> 'Yes, professor, I do.'
>>
>> The old man stops pacing.
>>
>> 'Science says you have five senses you use to identify
>> and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen
>> Jesus?'
>>
>> 'No sir. I've never seen Him.'
>>
>> 'Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?'
>>
>>
>> 'No, sir, I have not.'
>>
>> 'Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or
>> smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception
>> of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?'
>>
>> 'No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.'
>>
>> 'Yet you still believe in him?'
>>
>> 'Yes.'
>>
>> 'According to the rules of empirical, testable,
>> demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't
>> exist. What do you say to that, son?'
>>
>> 'Nothing,' the student replies. 'I only have my
>> faith. '
>>
>> 'Yes, faith,' the professor repeats. 'And that
>> is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence,
>> only faith.'
>>
>> The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a
>> question of his own.
>>
>> 'Professor, is there such thing as heat?'
>>
>> 'Yes,' the professor replies. 'There's
>> heat.'
>>
>> 'And is there such a thing as cold?'
>>
>> 'Yes, son, there's cold too.'
>>
>> 'No sir, there isn't.'
>>
>> The professor turns to face the student, obviously
>> interested.
>>
>> The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to
>> explain.
>>
>> 'You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat,
>> mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no
>> heat, but we don't have anything called 'cold'.
>> We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat,
>> but we can't go any further after that.. There is no
>> such thing as cold, otherwise we would be able to go colder
>> than the lowest -458 degrees.' 'Every body or object
>> is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and
>> heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy.
>> Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You
>> see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence
>> of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in
>> thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the
>> opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.'
>>
>> Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the
>> classroom, sounding like a hammer.
>>
>> 'What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing
>> as darkness?'
>>
>> 'Yes,' the professor replies without hesitation.
>> 'What is night if it isn't darkness?'
>>
>> 'You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not
>> something; it is the absence of something.. You can have low
>> light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if
>> you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's
>> called darkness, isn't it?
>>
>> That's the meaning we use to define the word.'
>>
>> 'In reality, darkness isn't.. If it were, you would
>> be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?'
>>
>> The professor begins to smile at the student in front of
>> him. This will be a good semester.
>>
>> 'So what point are you making, young man?'
>>
>> 'Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical
>> premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must
>> also be flawed.'
>>
>> The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this
>> time.
>>
>> 'Flawed? Can you explain how?'
>>
>> 'You are working on the premise of duality,' the
>> student explains. 'You argue that there is life and then
>> there's death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing
>> the concept of God as something finite, something we can
>> measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It
>> uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much
>> less fully understood either one. To view death as the
>> opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death
>> cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the
>> opposite of life, just the absence of it.' 'Now tell
>> me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved
>> from a monkey?'
>>
>> 'If you are referring to the natural evolutionary
>> process, young man, yes, of course I do.'
>>
>> 'Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes,
>> sir?'
>>
>> The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as
>> he realizes where the argument is going. A very good
>> semester, indeed.
>>
>> 'Since no one has ever observed the process of
>> evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is
>> an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion,
>> sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?'
>>
>> The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until
>> the commotion has subsided.
>>
>> 'To continue the point you were making earlier to the
>> other student, let me give you an example of what I
>> mean.'
>>
>> The student looks around the room.
>>
>> 'Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the
>> professor's brain?'
>>
>> The class breaks out into laughter.
>>
>> 'Is there anyone here who has ever heard the
>> professor's brain, felt the professor's brain,
>> touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one appears
>> to have done so. So, according to the established rules of
>> empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that
>> you have no brain, with all due respect, sir.' 'So
>> if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your
>> lectures, sir?'
>>
>> Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the
>> student, his face unreadable.
>>
>> Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers.
>>
>>
>> 'I guess you'll have to take them on faith.'
>>
>> 'Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact,
>> faith exists with life,' the student continues.
>>
>> 'Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?'
>>
>> Now uncertain, the professor responds,
>>
>> 'Of course, there is.. We see it every day. It is in the
>> daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the
>> multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world.
>> These manifestations are nothing else but evil.'
>>
>> To this the student replied,
>>
>> 'Evil does not exist, sir, or at least it does not
>> exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is
>> just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to
>> describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil
>> is the result of what happens when man does not have
>> God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold
>> that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes
>> when there is no light.'
>>
>> The professor sat down..
>>
>> If you read it all the way through and had a smile on your
>> face when you finished, mail to your friends and family with
>> the title: God vs. Science
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