[Glaslyn] FW: God vs. science

[Doug Turnage]

Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 09:08:26 -0700
From: bhill46 at yahoo.com
Subject: God vs. science
To: sheriw_2001 at yahoo.com; wilburnts at yahoo.com; morganbwilliams at yahoo.com; woodsg at alldata.net; kelly_yocum at yahoo.com; elshelton80 at gmail.com; brbkjames at sbcglobal.net; josego2002 at yahoo.com; matt85lang at hotmail.com; jordyn_kassidy at cox.net; slkerry at hotmail.com; sniffles442 at yahoo.com; malyes at hotmail.com; jtmay10 at yahoo.com; confusedfrawg at yahoo.com; jlm1608 at sbcglobal.net; carriemchale at earthlink.net; carrie at mchaleandassociates.com; Nickipsyc at charter.net; chrismoore03 at yahoo.com; patmorgan3 at yahoo.com; cathy.murphy at twcable.com; comic_girl94 at yahoo.com; gnorris2000 at yahoo.com; anna_osterholme at hotmail.com; patricia_oyakhire at hotmail.com; fatboy_gvt at hotmail.com; jacquelinepia at SBCGLOBAL.NET; kimberly at unt.edu; dutz_77 at yahoo.com; jonathan.ramsey at americredit.com; mike.redfield at us.army.mil; bazookajoe159 at netscape.net; shannonlrose at yahoo.com; haltombuffband at mac.com; Eric.Rydberg at Bowne.com; savell at charter.net; country8862 at yahoo.com; g.and.e.shelton at gmail.com; aynjelz at gmail.com; lsa_1977 at yahoo.com; polarmom at charter.net; clsmith at charter.net; lovebugs5501 at yahoo.com; catherine.l.davis at wellsfargo.com; lachellesjc50 at yahoo.com; beth817582412188 at yahoo.com; walder at charter.net; gonzojjs at yahoo.com; wolf7777777 at hotmail.com; laurenmiceli at yahoo.com; sga1 at sbcglobal.net; jenpfs at yahoo.com; kela6974 at yahoo.com; jerwinbailey at aol.com; djbbeary at comcast.net; pambandy at swbell.net; barrett.susan at sbcglobal.net; srbasham at swbell.net; beirachh at alldata.net; haltoms_hyperchic at yahoo.com; caliab at smu.edu; bhill46 at yahoo.com; texasquagmire at hotmail.com; lbiggs-scribner at charter.net; dana_blake at countrywide.com; alexbunn at hotmail.com; burketta2 at aol.com; kathyburnett at hotmail.com; kathy.burnett at c-b.com; president at whitehouse.gov; ditzybblondie at yahoo.com; markchandler at hebisd.edu; fineartsmac at hotmail.com; oakdc2005 at yahoo.com; rmc0036 at unt.edu; purunky at yahoo.com; arieldavis at aol.com; kevindavis0471 at sbcglobal.net; ouch1972 at yahoo.com; degroatakyle at netzero.com; sherreedegroat at sbcglobal.net; andrea018 at sbcglobal.net; billandlk at sbcglobal.net; medwards at unt.edu; pfpfarmer at yahoo.com; rhonda.fields at leggett.com; cathyd99 at hotmail.com; merle.glanton at charter.net; d_gobar at yahoo.com; 2100035251.6706.20 at houseenews.net; margarita2008 at hotmail.com; iwillbesinging at gmail.com; deedeehill at charter.net; trumpetsrule2 at yahoo.com; chronocrewrpggome at yahoo.com; dhill at venture-encoding.com; bulletbrain2 at yahoo.com; nhill98 at yahoo.com; info at glenlake.org






I think this is a pretty good argument....certainly makes you think!



> This is very interesting.  I encourage everyone to read this to its 
> conclusion.  It may answer some questions in the minds of any 
> non-believers.............>
>
>>
>> GOD vs. SCIENCE
>>
>>  This one will keep your attention to the end. It really
>>  makes you think.
>>
>>  A professor begins his school year with a lecture to the
>>  students, 'Let me explain the problem science has with
>>  religion.' The atheist professor of philosophy pauses
>>  before his class and then asks one of his new students to
>>  stand.
>>
>>  'You're a Christian, aren't you, son?
>>
>>  'Yes sir,' the student says.
>>
>>  'So you believe in God?'
>>
>>  'Absolutely.'
>>
>>  'Is God good?'
>>
>>  'Sure! God's good.'
>>
>>  'Is God all-powerful? Can God do anything?'
>>
>>  'Yes..'
>>
>>  'Are you good or evil?'
>>
>>  'The Bible says I'm evil.'
>>
>>  The professor grins knowingly.
>>
>>  'Aha! The Bible!' He considers for a moment.
>>  'Here's one for you. Let's say there's a
>>  sick person over here and you can cure him. You can do it.
>>  Would you help him? Would you try?'
>>
>>  'Yes sir, I would.'
>>
>>  'So you're good.'
>>
>>  'I wouldn't say that..'
>>
>>  'But why not say that? You'd help a sick and maimed
>>  person if you could. Most of us would if we could. But God
>>  doesn't.'
>>
>>  The student does not answer, so the professor continues.
>>
>>  'He doesn't, does He? My brother was a Christian
>>  who died of cancer, even though he prayed to Jesus to heal
>>  him. How is this Jesus good? Hmmm? Can you answer that
>>  one?'
>>
>>  The student remains silent.
>>
>>  'No, you can't, can you?' the professor says.
>>
>>  He takes a sip of water from a glass on his desk to give
>>  the student time to relax.
>>
>>  'Let's start again, young fella. Is God good?'
>>
>>  'Errr yes,' the student says.
>>
>>  'Is Satan good?'
>>
>>  The student doesn't hesitate on this one. 'No.'
>>
>>
>>  'Then where does Satan come from?'
>>
>>  The student falters. 'From God'
>>
>>  'That's right. God made Satan, didn't he? Tell
>>  me, son. Is there evil in this world?'
>>
>>  'Yes, sir.'
>>
>>  'Evil's everywhere, isn't it? And God did make
>>  everything, correct?'
>>
>>  'Yes.'
>>
>>  'So who created evil?'
>>
>>  The professor continued,
>>
>>  'If God created everything, then God created evil,
>>  since evil exists, and according to the principle that our
>>  works define who we are, then God is evil.'
>>
>>  Again, the student has no answer.
>>
>>  'Is there sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness? All
>>  these terrible things, do they exist in this world?'
>>
>>  The student squirms on his feet.
>>
>>  'Yes.'
>>
>>  'So who created them?'
>>
>>  The student does not answer again, so the professor repeats
>>  his question.
>>
>>  'Who created them?'
>>
>>  There is still no answer. Suddenly the lecturer breaks away
>>  to pace in front of the classroom. The class is mesmerized.
>>
>>  'Tell me,' he continues onto another student.
>>  'Do you believe in Jesus Christ, son?'
>>
>>  The student's voice betrays him and cracks.
>>
>>  'Yes, professor, I do.'
>>
>>  The old man stops pacing.
>>
>>  'Science says you have five senses you use to identify
>>  and observe the world around you. Have you ever seen
>>  Jesus?'
>>
>>  'No sir. I've never seen Him.'
>>
>>  'Then tell us if you've ever heard your Jesus?'
>>
>>
>>  'No, sir, I have not.'
>>
>>  'Have you ever felt your Jesus, tasted your Jesus or
>>  smelt your Jesus? Have you ever had any sensory perception
>>  of Jesus Christ, or God for that matter?'
>>
>>  'No, sir, I'm afraid I haven't.'
>>
>>  'Yet you still believe in him?'
>>
>>  'Yes.'
>>
>>  'According to the rules of empirical, testable,
>>  demonstrable protocol, science says your God doesn't
>>  exist. What do you say to that, son?'
>>
>>  'Nothing,' the student replies. 'I only have my
>>  faith. '
>>
>>  'Yes, faith,' the professor repeats. 'And that
>>  is the problem science has with God. There is no evidence,
>>  only faith.'
>>
>>  The student stands quietly for a moment, before asking a
>>  question of his own.
>>
>>  'Professor, is there such thing as heat?'
>>
>>  'Yes,' the professor replies. 'There's
>>  heat.'
>>
>>  'And is there such a thing as cold?'
>>
>>  'Yes, son, there's cold too.'
>>
>>  'No sir, there isn't.'
>>
>>  The professor turns to face the student, obviously
>>  interested.
>>
>>  The room suddenly becomes very quiet. The student begins to
>>  explain.
>>
>>  'You can have lots of heat, even more heat, super-heat,
>>  mega-heat, unlimited heat, white heat, a little heat or no
>>  heat, but we don't have anything called 'cold'.
>>  We can hit up to 458 degrees below zero, which is no heat,
>>  but we can't go any further after that.. There is no
>>  such thing as cold, otherwise we would be able to go colder
>>  than the lowest -458 degrees.' 'Every body or object
>>  is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and
>>  heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy.
>>  Absolute zero (-458 F) is the total absence of heat. You
>>  see, sir, cold is only a word we use to describe the absence
>>  of heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat we can measure in
>>  thermal units because heat is energy. Cold is not the
>>  opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it.'
>>
>>  Silence across the room. A pen drops somewhere in the
>>  classroom, sounding like a hammer.
>>
>>  'What about darkness, professor. Is there such a thing
>>  as darkness?'
>>
>>  'Yes,' the professor replies without hesitation.
>>  'What is night if it isn't darkness?'
>>
>>  'You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is not
>>  something; it is the absence of something.. You can have low
>>  light, normal light, bright light, flashing light, but if
>>  you have no light constantly you have nothing and it's
>>  called darkness, isn't it?
>>
>>  That's the meaning we use to define the word.'
>>
>>  'In reality, darkness isn't.. If it were, you would
>>  be able to make darkness darker, wouldn't you?'
>>
>>  The professor begins to smile at the student in front of
>>  him. This will be a good semester.
>>
>>  'So what point are you making, young man?'
>>
>>  'Yes, professor. My point is, your philosophical
>>  premise is flawed to start with, and so your conclusion must
>>  also be flawed.'
>>
>>  The professor's face cannot hide his surprise this
>>  time.
>>
>>  'Flawed? Can you explain how?'
>>
>>  'You are working on the premise of duality,' the
>>  student explains. 'You argue that there is life and then
>>  there's death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing
>>  the concept of God as something finite, something we can
>>  measure. Sir, science can't even explain a thought. It
>>  uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much
>>  less fully understood either one. To view death as the
>>  opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death
>>  cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the
>>  opposite of life, just the absence of it.' 'Now tell
>>  me, professor. Do you teach your students that they evolved
>>  from a monkey?'
>>
>>  'If you are referring to the natural evolutionary
>>  process, young man, yes, of course I do.'
>>
>>  'Have you ever observed evolution with your own eyes,
>>  sir?'
>>
>>  The professor begins to shake his head, still smiling, as
>>  he realizes where the argument is going. A very good
>>  semester, indeed.
>>
>>  'Since no one has ever observed the process of
>>  evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is
>>  an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion,
>>  sir? Are you now not a scientist, but a preacher?'
>>
>>  The class is in uproar. The student remains silent until
>>  the commotion has subsided.
>>
>>  'To continue the point you were making earlier to the
>>  other student, let me give you an example of what I
>>  mean.'
>>
>>  The student looks around the room.
>>
>>  'Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the
>>  professor's brain?'
>>
>>  The class breaks out into laughter.
>>
>>  'Is there anyone here who has ever heard the
>>  professor's brain, felt the professor's brain,
>>  touched or smelt the professor's brain? No one appears
>>  to have done so. So, according to the established rules of
>>  empirical, stable, demonstrable protocol, science says that
>>  you have no brain, with all due respect, sir.' 'So
>>  if science says you have no brain, how can we trust your
>>  lectures, sir?'
>>
>>  Now the room is silent. The professor just stares at the
>>  student, his face unreadable.
>>
>>  Finally, after what seems an eternity, the old man answers.
>>
>>
>>  'I guess you'll have to take them on faith.'
>>
>>  'Now, you accept that there is faith, and, in fact,
>>  faith exists with life,' the student continues.
>>
>>  'Now, sir, is there such a thing as evil?'
>>
>>  Now uncertain, the professor responds,
>>
>>  'Of course, there is.. We see it every day. It is in the
>>  daily example of man's inhumanity to man. It is in the
>>  multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world.
>>  These manifestations are nothing else but evil.'
>>
>>  To this the student replied,
>>
>>  'Evil does not exist, sir, or at least it does not
>>  exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is
>>  just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to
>>  describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil
>>  is the result of what happens when man does not have
>>  God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold
>>  that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes
>>  when there is no light.'
>>
>>  The professor sat down..
>>
>>  If you read it all the way through and had a smile on your
>>  face when you finished, mail to your friends and family with
>>  the title: God vs. Science

_________________________________________________________________
Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. 
http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN55C0701A