HNW - lacis vs. filet crochet for Victorian

pat fee lcatherinemc at
Thu Jul 8 11:25:09 PDT 1999

Could someone please re post the source for net for fillit embroidery?  

>From: Carolyn Kayta Barrows <kayta at>
>Reply-To: H-Needlework at Ansteorra.ORG
>To: H-Needlework at Ansteorra.ORG
>Subject: Re: HNW - lacis vs. filet crochet for Victorian
>Date: Sat, 03 Jul 1999 14:04:42 -0700
>Gosh, wouldn't a tablecloth
> >have to stand up to use?
>I have a couple of darned net pieces intended for table use.  For special
>occasions they'd be fine.  For everyday (think antimacassars) I wouldn't
>risk it.
>Anyway, my question is with regards to the
> >patterns that are not squaures. I've tried to understand the directions 
> >making extra spaces at the ends of  rows for the shaped pieces ( as 
> >to simple squares) . Is it the kind of thing where you just have to do it
> >and practice it before it gets easier?
>If you have some idea of increasing and decreasing, and do whatever method
>you use the same way each time, then whatever it is will be fine.  I fake
>mine - neatly, of course.
>Also, the idea of working across the
> >chart then turning and working across it the other way is something I
> >suspect results in some disorientation at first? is there any one book 
> >found of great use when you started this, or did you  have the advantage 
> >needleworkers in  your family to show you?
>I am ambidextrous and dyslexic.  This turns out to be an advantage when
>switching from left-to-right to right-to-left.  Either way is the same with
>me.  I work one hole or block at a time, so either way is good.  The only
>needleworker's advice I can pass on from my family is this:  If you make
>one mistake, rip it out.  But if you make the same mistake at regular
>intervals, call it a pattern.  (This from my mother the knitter/Math 
> >< And, according to some period photosI have seen, overly fussy was just
> >one way to do Victorian Eclectic.  Not everyone laid on the needlework 
> >such a heavy hand as you mention not liking.>
> >
> >It's not just the needlework that seems to be laid on with a heavy hand,
> >it's *everything*.
>What I meant was that cluttered was only one way to do the Victorian
>Eclectic thing.  Many photos I have from this nominally cluttered period
>show a very modern-looking lack of clutter on very plain wallpaper.  And
>there are others where you can't see the wallpaper for the stuff hanging on
>the walls.  Just like some homes today have crochet toilet tank covers,
>with matching crochet toilet paper roll covers and Kleenex box covers, and
>some don't.  The 'heavy hand' school is just one style of decoration, and
>not the one which gets all the publicity.  Compare Eastlake furniture with
>Roccoco Revival to get an idea of this.
>On the other hand, the Victorians did more decoration of walls than I
>remember being fashionable in the 1950's and 60's (pre-Hippie).  I don't
>remember much needlework when I was growing up, other than needlepoint
>pillows (by my mother), handwoven place mats and runners (by my
>grandmother), and crochet lace tablecloths (by my aunt) for fancy
>occasions.  Nothing fussy or ruffled.
>My mother's mother's house was classic shingled Craftsman, with abaca cloth
>on the upper halves of the walls, with framed etchings and Japanese prints,
>and built-in no-glass-fronts bookcases below.  The tops of furniture might
>have woven runners and bowls of flowers.  Lots of floor lamps instead of
>table lamps.
>My father's mother's house was a low budget 'twenties bungalow in Oregon,
>with lace doilies under table lamps, and glass-fronted bookcases full of
>books she didn't read.  I don't remember her house as well as I remember
>the other grandmother's house, but I seem to remember that the decoration
>was more kitchy and less the work of an artist.  I don't remember her doing
>any needlework, where the other grandmother wove on the three looms she
>owned and had artsy friends my mother called 'Bohemian'.  Both grandmothers
>used antimacassars.
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