HNW - floss substitute-cotton or rayon?

pat fee lcatherinemc at
Mon May 10 09:43:30 PDT 1999

Please excuse my igorence.  But what is opus anglicanum and nue work?

>From: Valerie Frazier <frazierv at>
>Reply-To: H-Needlework at Ansteorra.ORG
>To: "'H-Needlework at Ansteorra.ORG'" <H-Needlework at Ansteorra.ORG>
>Subject: RE: HNW - floss substitute-cotton or rayon?
>Date: Mon, 10 May 1999 09:33:37 -0700
>When I first started to work opus anglicanum I  used DMC cotten floss.
>Than I found Ping Ling silk.  This is an 8 ply silk with very little
>twist.  It is wonderful for split stitch and has a marvolous sheen.  And
>it is really not that expensive.  It runs between 2.50 & 2.80 a spool.
>It is put out by Krineck (?).  If you contact them they can put you in
>contact with stores that sell it.
>What I did was dedicate 25.00 each month to the purchase of Ping Ling.
>At the end of a year I had a good palette to work from.  Now I spend
>about 25.00 every 3 months to replenish my stash.
>While I think rayon can be a good substitute for silk, I also think it
>has a harsh shine to it.  The sheen that silk has is very different.
>Silk also works very differently from rayon.  My advice would be to
>spend the extra time and money to collect the real thing before starting
>an opus anglicanum or Or Nue project.  You will be happier in the long
>run with the finished product.
>Please excuse my spelling.
>Valerie Frazier
>(Letitia de Scotia)
> >
> >I have done embroidery with both DMC cotton and DMC rayon.  So, it 
>depends on
> >what you're looking for.  I believe that as to shiny, the rayon is 
> >For
> >manageability, cotton is better.
> >
> >From photos of extant embroideries prior to Elizabethan, say 12th-14th
> >centuries, the silk floss is pretty shiny.  I make the conjecture that it 
> >dulled a bit over time and feel that originally it was pretty darn shiny.
> >The
> >cotton just doesn't gleam the same way.  However, the cotton is oh so 
> >easier to use.  The rayon, when you pull 1 thread is kinky.  So if you do
> >satin
> >stitch it's kind of well, poofy or slightly waved.  But if you do *small*
> >stem
> >or split (split is a drag with any twisted fiber IMHO) stitches it's 
> >lovely.
> >
> >For Elizabethan you could go either way.      ~M~
> >
> >> One of these days I will get around to trying opus anglicanum, or nue',
> >> and Elizabethan-type work with detatched buttonhole stitch filling.  
> >> I gain some facility (and a lot of money) I'll be using something 
> >> reeled silk.  As far as appearance goes, would cotton or rayon floss be
> >> better?
> >
> >--
> >Cynthia Long
> >Merouda the True of Bornover
> >Barony of Madrone
> >Kingdom of An Tir
> >
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