[HNW] Laurels, Beads, and the Nature of Knowledge

Auna Oncay indiauna at cox-internet.com
Mon Aug 18 12:45:58 PDT 2003

That is true.  As far as I am concerned when I judge if it sounds iffy then
I question the parts that sound so.  But things like beading or some of the
more obscure embroidery (if there is such) and I know that there is not a
lot of documentation out there then I judge on the quality of the
research/documentation and the work itself.  If I were to judge something
like what you described, I would be so interested to see the documentation.
I like to hand sew some but like for the project that I am about to start
now on velvet I had much rather sew with a machine just so that I would feel
secure that the project would not fall apart.  But I will be trying my best
for it to be done well with my hand sewing.  I to am friends with the Laurel
that walked away but she has been very helpful in guiding me to look in a
different direction on some of my research that I never would have even
thought of.  The part of them opening something to look at the backs and the
stitches drives me crazy...it is just a personal thing and I can prove that
they had knots and other oopsies on the back as well.  But anyway I will not
go there.

Good luck on your research.

"So long as we love we serve; So long as we are loved by others, We are
indispensable; And no man is useless while he has a friend."  Unknown.

-----Original Message-----
From: h-needlework-bounces at ansteorra.org
[mailto:h-needlework-bounces at ansteorra.org]On Behalf Of Carol Knight
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:47 AM
To: 'Historic Needlework'
Subject: RE: [HNW] Laurels, Beads, and the Nature of Knowledge

I have found that it depends on who you have as your judge....
I have run up against the one that believes that machine-sewn seams should
not be allowed in any A&S competition, and I have become friends with the
ones who say, "as long as the seams are finished and machine stitching
doesn't show on the outside, its fine."
Notice which ones I said are friends. <G>
True story;
Through as much research as I had available to me at the time, I prepared a
display of ruffs-three of them-for an A&S competition. It was to show the
evolution of the collar treatments over 70 years-I had a collar with a
ruffle, a 2" ruff and a large stand-up collar. In the follow up, when we get
to talk to the Laurels, the misunderstanding was evident. I had box-pleated,
instead of cartridge pleated. That was the only way I could figure out how
they get those elegant figure 8 designs (that, and a lot of starch)
But, my supposition was nixed, because I did not have any period
documentation to prove my point. The lady I was talking to also informed me
that they had to stop one of the other Laurels from opening the collar, to
see what stitches I had used.

So, it is now back to the drawing board. <G> I have taken a couple of years,
expanded my book collection, and I have done some very extensive research
into English clothing of the 16th century. I have not found the ruff
documentation that I need, but I have found some other interesting tidbits,
some that are even germane to this list.

But one thing to remember-Laurels are human. Each is an individual. Some
will not change their notion of doing things, even if you could stuff them
in a time machine and send them back.
And then there are the Real Ones....

I am not being catty-really.

-----Original Message-----
From: Auna Oncay [mailto:indiauna at cox-internet.com]
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 11:14 AM
To: Historic Needlework
Subject: RE: [HNW] Laurels, Beads, and the Nature of Knowledge

This was asked the other weekend at Gleann Abhann 5th and I told that
Laurel, I have yet to find the kind of documentation that you are wanting,
all I have is pictures.  And she replied well then you are not looking hard
enough.  I then had to ask her if she had any info or know of a place
(books, websites etc) that I could go digging through that I may have over
looked or do not know about?  She replied no and walked off.  Our judges in
Meridies are really strict, and there are very few judges who are not Peers
or Protégé/Apprentice that are well known for research or have an expertise
in some area.

"So long as we love we serve; So long as we are loved by others, We are
indispensable; And no man is useless while he has a friend."  Unknown.

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