[HNW] Elizabethan series
LadyCellach at aol.com
LadyCellach at aol.com
Tue Oct 2 17:18:28 PDT 2007
In a message dated 10/2/2007 10:41:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
SNSpies at aol.com writes:
Cellach (whose full name, SCA or mundane, I don't know) has a paper she
wrote titled "A Study of the Oxburgh Hangings from an Embroiderer's Point of
View". Her email address, as of 2004, was _LadyCellach at aol.com_
(mailto:LadyCellach at aol.com) .
Hi all! I am actually on the list. I usually just lurk and don't post much.
My full SCA name is Mistress Cellach ingen Chernaig and my e-mail address is
still the same as listed above if anyone wants to contact me off list.
The pieces by Mary Queen of Scots were all definitely cross-stitch. I
have saved my original e-mail from the V&A confirming they are in cross-stitch
and have copied and pasted it below. If any of you need to use the letter for
your documentation to prove they were cross-stitch, please feel free.
They still have not changed any of the descriptions despite the fact
that I have sent them many e-mails asking them to at least change the ones on
the web page. I visited the V&A again last March and was quite disappointed to
see the large description next to them still stating that they were tent
stitch. It gets me really sad that a museum I treasure so much knows they
labeled something this important wrong and just leave it like that for all these
years. I will admit it has been a while since I have written to them again, so
I think it is about time for another letter. If it doesn't work this time
perhaps I can persuade a bunch of you to write letters as well, we can hit them
with a force by numbers campaign *GRIN*
My computer with my research paper and pictures on it crashed. I had
revised the paper a little bit and am not sure if I have the updated version on
a disk(I couldn't find it). I have the original version on a disk that I
copied to this computer and can send it by e-mail to anyone who wants a copy.(it
does not have pictures) I also have a hard copy of the newer version that I
can make copies of and snail mail them or bring to an East Kingdom event.The
only difference between the old and new version is some of the grammar is
corrected and the conclusion is to changed to include that I contacted the
museum. I will be happy to share whatever I have on the topic.
Dear Ms Bent,
I replied to your original email in October 2004 and I assume that it
must have got lost in cyberspace.
I and a colleague studied some of the embroideries belonging to the so
called Oxburgh hangings, of which some is attributed to Mary Queen of
Scots, after your first e-mail, and you are right. A majority of them
have been worked in cross-stitch, but there are also examples of mixed
techniques in both tent and cross stitch.
We did put in requests at the time to add cross stitch to the labels in
the galleries and also other information sources, such as the web page,
but I am sure you can understand that this can be a lengthy process (and
also unfortunately a costly affair).
Thank you again for drawing our attention to this label and we
appreciate your interest in the Museum.
Textiles & Fashion
Victoria & Albert Museum
Telephone: 020 7942 2679
Fax: 020 7942 2678
>>> <LadyCellach at aol.com> 03/06/2005 20:52:34 >>>
Greetings! This is the second time I am sending this missive. I had the
privilege of being able to visit your wonderful museum in March of
there I took particular interest in the embroideries done by Mary Queen
due to my love for the pieces. While studying them up close, I have
noticed that they are done in cross stitch, not in tent stitch as your
lists and thought it might be important to point out to you in hopes
pieces can be labeled with their correct stitches.
I also bought a postcard in the museum shop of the elephant panel. The
description reads "Oxburgh Hanging (detail), c. 1570 Linen canvas
silk in tent stitch." I examined the postcard with a magnifying
glass and it
can be clearly seen that the piece was definitely done in
ask you to please look at the postcard to verify my statements.
I had come to the conclusion that all the pieces were done in
cross-stitch from my independent research on the pieces. I took
particular interest in
these pieces while I was in England to verify my belief on this. I
the embroideries as being listed as tent stitch in many of the books I
but in recreating one of Mary's embroideries I noticed that the
cross-stitch from a photo I have in the book pictured in The
Mary Queen of Scots by Margaret Swain. The embroidery is also listed
done in cross-stitch in the book.(as a hobby I recreate historical
embroideries and belong to a historically based needlework guild)
>From my research on these embroideries, I believe this "bad
originated with Bess Shrewsbury's inventory of Hardwick Hall in
listed the embroideries as being done in "petit point." In period
meant small stitches. In modern needlework language "petit point"
is a term
describing tent stitch. Somewhere along the line these embroideries
mislabeled as being done in tent stitch and it has stuck.
Another reason why they may have been so commonly mislabeled probably
do with the silk used to embroider them. When I examined the panels
I could see that the silk used was smooth filament silk and not
modern silk. The threads lay so flat that the top stitch of the cross
spreads more and covers most of the bottom stitches. This makes it
harder to notice
that these embroideries were done in cross-stitch. I am positive in
saw though and would ask you to please take a closer look at these
I must end with saying my trip to your museum was the highlight of
trip to England. I went with 17 other embroiderers and to be able to
day in the textile study room was fascinating! I learned more in a day
have in years of reading books. I so wish we had a museum like yours
the States. I will look forward to coming back in the year 2006.
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