For the people asking where I got my plates: http://scintillaflaminia.com/test/armor.php 250 for someone built like me. You could get away with using less if you don't have the hip tassets. Ioannes -- "Thousands of Sarmatians, Thousands of Franks, we've slain them again and again. We're looking for thousands of Persians." --Vita Aureliani