[Hellsgate] Rapier source

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Fri Mar 4 19:05:44 PST 2011


Kult of athena has hanwei 37" blades for around $90. i have 3 mask, a gorget, 2 epees and 2 rapiers

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Sunday Fighter Practice (Chris Zakes)
   2. Re: fighter practice (Chris Zakes)
   3. Re: Fighter Loaner gear (John Atkinson)
   4. Re: Sunday Fighter Practice (Matthew Scholten)
   5. Re: Fighter Loaner gear (Sean Hertzberg)
   6. Re: Fighter Loaner gear (Ken Riley)
   7. Re: Fighter Loaner gear (Chris Zakes)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 19:24:06 -0600
From: Chris Zakes <dontivar at gmail.com>
To: Stronghold of Hellsgate <hellsgate at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Hellsgate] Sunday Fighter Practice
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At 09:41 AM 3/4/2011, you wrote:
>I have a small dog in this fight since I am back in town now but will
>likely deploy soon.
>
>I got here as the previous group folded and the rebuild came from
>fighters wanting something to do because the Tuesday practice wasn't
>good for us.  It started in Roak's back yard and soon we had enough
>folks we had to move, so we returned to the park.  Eventually, it came
>up to form an official group.
>
>Since we fully expected the membership to swell and shrink, we opted
>for a Stronghold, for which we needed a Barony to support us.  Bryn
>Gwlad gladly stepped up and supported us.  I have seen nothing
>implying we should abandon Hellsgate for the larger Barony, but they
>have supported us and we, in turn, should be supporting them.
>Additionally, we have very few heavy fighters that are healthy to
>fight, so I personally see having to make trips to Bryn Gwlad
>practices to get any kind of improvement in my fighting.  Tuesday is
>largely impractical when the drive gets me home as late as it would
>and then I ave to be up early the next morning (gas price hardly
>factors in).  As for Sunday being the only day available for practice,
>I could accept practice up here any day of the week.

But bear in mind that if you move the Hellsgate fighter practice to a 
weekday evening, you run into the same sort of problem--few folks 
from Bryn Gwlad will be willing/able to come up and play with you.

On the other paw, the more connections you make with the folks in 
Bryn Gwlad, the greater the chances of getting them to come up and 
help out. It's an unfortunate truism in the SCA that travelling to a 
new or out-of-the-way group is perceived as "uphill, through the 
snow" by many people (even though travel *from* that area is somehow 
not seen as a hardship.) This is lessened quite a bit if the visitor 
thinks of it as "going to see that nice new fighter I met at practice 
last month" rather than just dropping in on a random fighter practice.

Instead of doing a once-a-month attendance at the Sunday 
archery/fighter practice in Bryn Gwlad, would it be feasible to have 
a once-every-other-month attendance and on the alternate months make 
a big push to have the folks from Bryn Gwlad come up to Hellsgate for 
fighter practice? (Presuming my goofy work schedule cooperates,*I'd* 
be willing to come up.)

         -Tivar Moondragon



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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 19:36:06 -0600
From: Chris Zakes <dontivar at gmail.com>
To: Stronghold of Hellsgate <hellsgate at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Hellsgate] fighter practice
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At 02:04 PM 3/4/2011, you wrote:

>I was coming regular  to fighter practice but I have 2 problems--1. I am
>new to the group and new to  this type of fencing and with no intruction it's
>like giving a person a badge  and gun and saying "go be a cop now".   The
>other problem is gear--as  I've discussed before.
>   It seems that the emphasis is on heavy fighting.  I am no 6ft  tall
>amazon woman and I have no wish to get pummeled to death in this style of
>fighting--besides we are back to gear again.
>
>   I'm not driving to Austin  any more as the same problem occured--no
>fencing jacket and hood so I would end  up driving from Harker 
>Heights to stand
>and watch.  And if you are not  "part of the group" and New to SCA it is very
>difficult to "break in" as  everyone looks at you like an idiot when you
>have no clue what they are talking  about.

Hmm... you must have caught us on a bad night. Bryn Gwlad owns--and 
the marshal usually brings out--several sets of loaner gear, in 
various sizes. And generally the rapier fighters are willing to help 
out, or at least point you to someone who knows the gear and is 
willing to help out with fitting, training, etc.

Right now, everything is pretty chaotic with folks getting ready for 
Gulf War, but once that's past you might give us another try. Maybe 
email the rapier marshal 
(http://bryn-gwlad.ansteorra.org/officers.php) a couple of days 
before you're coming, to make sure the loaner gear will be there, and 
to see if you can set up a bit of training-time.

         -Tivar Moondragon 



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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 19:45:02 -0600
From: John Atkinson <johnmatkinson at gmail.com>
To: Stronghold of Hellsgate <hellsgate at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Hellsgate] Fighter Loaner gear
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On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Ken Riley <grimthebald at yahoo.com> wrote:

> We have one mask, one hood and 4 jackets (3 are on the small side).? I'm looking
> at getting a rapier gorget, rapier gloves, and a rapier with an epee blade.? The
> total will be about $235 plus shipping.? Anything else that we may need will be
> made by members of the group.? The goal is to have one set of rapier gear for
> now.

We need to get a proper heavy rapier.  Epees aren't used in Ansteorra
except in Youth Fighting, and cannot be used in practice against heavy
rapiers.  They are too lightweight and will bend in half if used to
parry.  The cheapest ones are the Zen Warrior ones, or I would
cheerfully look for one at War, just give me a price limit.  Zen
Warrior rapiers with a 37" blade can be had for $120 plus shipping, to
give you an idea of what I'm talking about.

Also, to save money on gloves, go to a surplus store and buy those
basic training black leather ones.  They work just fine.

Ioannes
-- 
"Thousands of Sarmatians, Thousands of Franks, we've slain them again
and again.? We're looking for thousands of Persians."
--Vita Aureliani


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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 17:52:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Matthew Scholten <dramascout at yahoo.com>
To: Stronghold of Hellsgate <hellsgate at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Hellsgate] Sunday Fighter Practice
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Ok time to weigh in on this. I am in the unique situation in here to have been in a shire or barony fighting and playing in 5 of the kingdoms in the society. I don?t tell what I have done in other places and how long I have been playing for because it doesn?t pertain to how I am now. (off and on for almost 11 years now and interested in it all since I was 16) I have a interesting perspective on it all. I have driven around for days trying to find a fighter practice. Been shunned from groups because I was the ?new guy?  It is hard to get in and even harder to find a group at times. I went to emerald keep between my tours in Iraq because middleford was gone and as I was not to active in the lists ect I had no idea there was a stronghold idea being bounced around.  I remember having a ?regional fighter practice? in another kingdom.  I say that to say this. I hear a lot of talk about BG I do understand that they are our neighbors and sponsoring
 barony but what about our friends to the north emerald keep is also only 45 min away why not host a regional fighter practice HERE with fighters from BG AND emerald keep. That gives EVERYONE the chance to fight new people as well as talk and greet people that they may only see at events. I know my brain is mush right now due to mundain events and my life at them moment but those are a few of my thoughts, I have more but they are as of yet still a cloud and have not fully formed.

Lucas De Argent,
Deputy Hospitaler traveler of the WORLD



      


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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 20:31:05 -0600
From: Sean Hertzberg <colsith at gmail.com>
To: Stronghold of Hellsgate <hellsgate at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Hellsgate] Fighter Loaner gear
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Actually, don't get the Zen Warrior ones.  Talk to Don Pieter down in
Bjornsborg.  He can get the Hanwei 37 in for about $100.

Avery

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 7:45 PM, John Atkinson <johnmatkinson at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Ken Riley <grimthebald at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > We have one mask, one hood and 4 jackets (3 are on the small side).  I'm
> looking
> > at getting a rapier gorget, rapier gloves, and a rapier with an epee
> blade.  The
> > total will be about $235 plus shipping.  Anything else that we may need
> will be
> > made by members of the group.  The goal is to have one set of rapier gear
> for
> > now.
>
> We need to get a proper heavy rapier.  Epees aren't used in Ansteorra
> except in Youth Fighting, and cannot be used in practice against heavy
> rapiers.  They are too lightweight and will bend in half if used to
> parry.  The cheapest ones are the Zen Warrior ones, or I would
> cheerfully look for one at War, just give me a price limit.  Zen
> Warrior rapiers with a 37" blade can be had for $120 plus shipping, to
> give you an idea of what I'm talking about.
>
> Also, to save money on gloves, go to a surplus store and buy those
> basic training black leather ones.  They work just fine.
>
> Ioannes
> --
> "Thousands of Sarmatians, Thousands of Franks, we've slain them again
> and again.  We're looking for thousands of Persians."
> --Vita Aureliani
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 18:38:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Ken Riley <grimthebald at yahoo.com>
To: Stronghold of Hellsgate <hellsgate at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Hellsgate] Fighter Loaner gear
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Sounds good.? Currently I'm just working on a thought.? I was going to run the 
rapier gear through a second set of eyes before I made any purchases to make 
sure I get the right stuff.? My intent in this posting was to let everyone in 
Hellsgate know that we're working on loaner gear.? We're going to discuss the 
rapier purchase and vote at the next populace.? I was going through the Zen 
Warrier website, which is where I got all my quotes.? 





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From: John Atkinson <johnmatkinson at gmail.com>
To: Stronghold of Hellsgate <hellsgate at lists.ansteorra.org>
Sent: Fri, March 4, 2011 7:45:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Hellsgate] Fighter Loaner gear

On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Ken Riley <grimthebald at yahoo.com> wrote:

> We have one mask, one hood and 4 jackets (3 are on the small side).? I'm 
>looking
> at getting a rapier gorget, rapier gloves, and a rapier with an epee blade.? 
>The
> total will be about $235 plus shipping.? Anything else that we may need will 
be
> made by members of the group.? The goal is to have one set of rapier gear for
> now.

We need to get a proper heavy rapier.? Epees aren't used in Ansteorra
except in Youth Fighting, and cannot be used in practice against heavy
rapiers.? They are too lightweight and will bend in half if used to
parry.? The cheapest ones are the Zen Warrior ones, or I would
cheerfully look for one at War, just give me a price limit.? Zen
Warrior rapiers with a 37" blade can be had for $120 plus shipping, to
give you an idea of what I'm talking about.

Also, to save money on gloves, go to a surplus store and buy those
basic training black leather ones.? They work just fine.

Ioannes
-- 
"Thousands of Sarmatians, Thousands of Franks, we've slain them again
and again.? We're looking for thousands of Persians."
--Vita Aureliani
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2011 20:38:52 -0600
From: Chris Zakes <dontivar at gmail.com>
To: Stronghold of Hellsgate <hellsgate at lists.ansteorra.org>
Subject: Re: [Hellsgate] Fighter Loaner gear
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At 07:45 PM 3/4/2011, Ioannes wrote:

>On Fri, Mar 4, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Ken Riley 
><grimthebald at yahoo.com> wrote: > We have one 
>mask, one hood and 4 jackets (3 are on the small 
>side).?  I'm looking > at getting a rapier 
>gorget, rapier gloves, and a rapier with an epee 
>blade.?  The > total will be about $235 plus 
>shipping.?  Anything else that we may need will 
>be > made by members of the group.?  The goal is 
>to have one set of rapier gear for > now. We 
>need to get a proper heavy rapier.  Epees aren't 
>used in Ansteorra except in Youth Fighting, and 
>cannot be used in practice against heavy 
>rapiers.  They are too lightweight and will bend 
>in half if used to parry.  The cheapest ones are 
>the Zen Warrior ones, or I would cheerfully look 
>for one at War, just give me a price limit.  Zen 
>Warrior rapiers with a 37" blade can be had for 
>$120 plus shipping, to give you an idea of what I'm talking about.

Where are you seeing a rapier for $120.00? The 
cheapest *I'm* seeing on their website is 
$142.00, and that's with an epee blade. With a 
37" rapier blade, it's $180.00 (although the 40" 
is only ten dollars more, and I think would be a better buy.)

         -Tivar Moondragon 



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