ANSTHRLD - What do we need to know?

Rayburn, Timothy TRayburn at insurdata.com
Fri Aug 20 07:29:46 PDT 1999


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Ok... how about this one :

For those who have been granted their title for life by the College let us
check them out, or register for them, a permanant name from the Heraldic Job
Title List.  This would then notablly distinguish Gladesong Pursuivant
Extraordinary, for instance, from Timothy of Glastonbury PE.  It brings
enough of a distinction from warrant expiring PEs, I would think, that there
wouldn't be a problem.

Timothy of Glastonbury
Deputy to Nautilus Pursuivant


> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Donald Riney [SMTP:dariusobells at hotmail.com]
> Sent:	Friday, August 20, 1999 8:12 AM
> To:	heralds at Ansteorra.ORG
> Subject:	RE: ANSTHRLD - What do we need to know?
> 
> Would there be any problem with just calling them "Pursuivants". Skipping 
> the "extraordinary" or "at large" altogether? After all branch officers
> will 
> be identified by their branch name or branch heraldic title. For example 
> Lindenwood Pursuivant or Nautilus Pursuivant, where as one not attached to
> a 
> group could just be a pursuivant.
> 
> Darius
> 
> >From: "Rayburn, Timothy" <TRayburn at insurdata.com>
> >Reply-To: heralds at Ansteorra.ORG
> >To: "'Heralds Mailing List'" <heralds at Ansteorra.ORG>
> >Subject: RE: ANSTHRLD - What do we need to know?
> >Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:39:53 -0500
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From:	Dr Tiomoid M. of Angle [SMTP:tiomoid at yahoo.com]
> > > Sent:	Thursday, August 19, 1999 4:08 PM
> > > To:	heralds at Ansteorra.ORG
> > > Subject:	RE: ANSTHRLD - What do we need to know?
> > >
> > > --- "Rayburn, Timothy" <TRayburn at insurdata.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > How about they are titled, by region, as Extrodinary.
> > >
> > > "Extrodinary"? Oh, Extraordinary.
> > >
> > > > For example, a non-Branch herald who has shown skill in the central
> > > > region would be Eclipse Extraordinary.
> > >
> > > No, because "extraordinary" applies to a rank, and "Eclipse" is an
> > > office title. There is only one Eclipse.
> > >
> >	[Tim Rayburn]  But let us take the example of Ambassador
> >Extraordinary you gave in support of Extraordinary earlier.  This
> fictional
> >person would be sent on a specific mission to a place that does not have
> a
> >standing Ambassador.  How is this different from a trained herald (PE
> >currently) being sent, or requested by, a group such as a Canton who does
> >not have a Herald to assist with Submissions, or the Field Heraldry at 
> >their
> >event, or to run a Baronial Court because the Baronial Herald couldn't
> make
> >the event?  We have a specific event, and we have an office title
> >Ambassador/Eclipse.  While I realize that to this point Eclipse has been
> >just one person, that is because in no small part, that Regional Heralds
> >have been mostly paper-pushers.  What is wrong with having Eclipse Herald
> >being able to assign an Eclipse Extraordinary, or perhaps better by your
> >argument Eclipse Pursuivant Extraordinary, to assist our hypothetical
> >Canton.  I am not saying this is perfect, but it has real promise I
> think.
> >
> >
> >
> > > I dislike it intensely. "Assistant Eclipse Herald" or "Deputy Eclipse
> > > Herald" would have the same benefits and none of the disadvantages.
> > >
> > >
> > > Tadhg, Hanaper
> > >
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<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Ok... how about this =
one :</FONT>
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<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">For those who have =
been granted their title for life by the College let us check them out, =
or register for them, a permanant name from the Heraldic Job Title =
List.  This would then notablly distinguish Gladesong Pursuivant =
Extraordinary, for instance, from Timothy of Glastonbury PE.  It =
brings enough of a distinction from warrant expiring PEs, I would =
think, that there wouldn't be a problem.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Timothy of =
Glastonbury</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#0000FF" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Deputy to Nautilus =
Pursuivant</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">From:  </FONT></B> <FONT =
SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Donald Riney =
[SMTP:dariusobells at hotmail.com]</FONT>
<BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Sent:  </FONT></B> <FONT =
SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">Friday, August 20, 1999 8:12 AM</FONT>
<BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D1 =
FACE=3D"Arial">To:    </FONT></B> <FONT SIZE=3D1 =
FACE=3D"Arial">heralds at Ansteorra.ORG</FONT>
<BR><B><FONT SIZE=3D1 =
FACE=3D"Arial">Subject:       </FONT>=
</B> <FONT SIZE=3D1 FACE=3D"Arial">RE: ANSTHRLD - What do we need to =
know?</FONT>
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<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Would there be any =
problem with just calling them "Pursuivants". Skipping =
</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">the =
"extraordinary" or "at large" altogether? After all =
branch officers will </FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">be identified by =
their branch name or branch heraldic title. For example </FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Lindenwood =
Pursuivant or Nautilus Pursuivant, where as one not attached to a =
</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">group could just be =
a pursuivant.</FONT>
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<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Darius</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">>From: =
"Rayburn, Timothy" <TRayburn at insurdata.com></FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">>Reply-To: =
heralds at Ansteorra.ORG</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">>To: =
"'Heralds Mailing List'" <heralds at Ansteorra.ORG></FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">>Subject: RE: =
ANSTHRLD - What do we need to know?</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">>Date: Thu, 19 =
Aug 1999 16:39:53 -0500</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">></FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > =
- -----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > =
From:       Dr Tiomoid M. of Angle =
[SMTP:tiomoid at yahoo.com]</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > =
Sent:       Thursday, August 19, 1999 =
4:08 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > =
To:heralds at Ansteorra.ORG</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > =
Subject:    RE: ANSTHRLD - What do we need to =
know?</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > --- =
"Rayburn, Timothy" <TRayburn at insurdata.com> =
wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > > How =
about they are titled, by region, as Extrodinary.</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > =
"Extrodinary"? Oh, Extraordinary.</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > > For =
example, a non-Branch herald who has shown skill in the central</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > > =
region would be Eclipse Extraordinary.</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > No, =
because "extraordinary" applies to a rank, and =
"Eclipse" is an</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > office =
title. There is only one Eclipse.</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">>       [Tim =
Rayburn]  But let us take the example of Ambassador</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">>Extraordinary =
you gave in support of Extraordinary earlier.  This =
fictional</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">>person would be =
sent on a specific mission to a place that does not have a</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">>standing =
Ambassador.  How is this different from a trained herald =
(PE</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">>currently) =
being sent, or requested by, a group such as a Canton who does</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">>not have a =
Herald to assist with Submissions, or the Field Heraldry at </FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">>their</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">>event, or to =
run a Baronial Court because the Baronial Herald couldn't make</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">>the =
event?  We have a specific event, and we have an office =
title</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 =
FACE=3D"Arial">>Ambassador/Eclipse.  While I realize that to =
this point Eclipse has been</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">>just one =
person, that is because in no small part, that Regional Heralds</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">>have been =
mostly paper-pushers.  What is wrong with having Eclipse =
Herald</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">>being able to =
assign an Eclipse Extraordinary, or perhaps better by your</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">>argument =
Eclipse Pursuivant Extraordinary, to assist our hypothetical</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">>Canton.  I =
am not saying this is perfect, but it has real promise I think.</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">></FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">></FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">></FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > I dislike =
it intensely. "Assistant Eclipse Herald" or "Deputy =
Eclipse</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > =
Herald" would have the same benefits and none of the =
disadvantages.</FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> ></FONT>
<BR><FONT COLOR=3D"#000000" SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">> > Tadhg, =
Hanaper</FONT>
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