ANSTHRLD - Grant question

Amanda Lewanski editor at texas.net
Wed Oct 13 20:59:31 PDT 1999


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Why is the Lion of Ansteorra on there at all? It is an award that
confers no precedence; as such, it has no place on an Order of
Precedence. Only orders conferring precedence should be listed. OPs
don't HAVE to show every kingdom order. Placing it at the end like that
gives an incorrect impression of the award--and don't give me "everyone
knows," lots of people outside the kingdom who might refer to our OP
would have no idea. This holds true, by the way, of any other awards
conferring no precedence; they shouldn't be listed on an OP. They can
appear in a kingdom awards list, which is different.

- --Alisandre

"Rayburn, Timothy" wrote:

>
>
> On Wednesday, October 13, 1999 12:47 PM, jruble
> [SMTP:jruble at napa-bbi.com] wrote:
> > Sorry, Timothy.  You left out Baronial service orders and the Sable
> Comet
> >
> > for shire service.  They would go between 13 and 14 in your listing.
>
> >
> > Ulf Gunnarsson
> >
>
> Ah, well, I knew that someone would find something I missed.
>
> I actually noticed, about 20 minutes later, that I missed the Baronial
> Service Orders.  I didn't correct myself because I was kinda wondering
> who was gonna notice. Below is the updated, and I believe completely
> correct, OP of Awards for Ansteorra.  Also a fine list can be found at
> "The Guiding Hand" which I believe is missing the Centurions, but has
> several of the Principality of Ansteorra awards listed in their
> places, such as the Madonnas of Ansteorra, and others.
>
> 1) Crown
> 2) Crown Prince
> 3) Duke
> 4) Count
> 5) Viscount (obviously all of these are imported or from the days of
> the Principality of Ansteorra)
> 6) Barons in Fief
> 7) Knight, Master at Arms, Master of the Laurel, Master of the Pelican
>
> 8) Letters Patent
> 9) Court Barons
> 10) Iris of Merit, Star of Merit, Centurions of the Sable Star, White
> Scarf of Ansteorra
> 11) Grant of Arms (called Grants of Rank in Ansteorra)
> 12) King's Gauntlet, Queen's Glove
> 13) Sable Thistle, Sable Crane
> 14) Baronial Service Awards (Azure Keystone of Elfsea, Heart of the
> Sable Storm, Sentinels of the Stargate, etc), Sable Comet
> 15) Award of Arms
> 16) King's Archer, Golden Bridle, Sable Falcon, Queens Rapier, Lions
> of Ansteorra, Order of the Rose, Motley Sash

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Why is the Lion of Ansteorra on there at all? It is an award that confers
no precedence; as such, it has no place on an Order of Precedence. Only
orders conferring precedence should be listed. OPs don't HAVE to show every
kingdom order. Placing it at the end like that gives an incorrect impression
of the award--and don't give me "everyone knows," lots of people outside
the kingdom who might refer to our OP would have no idea. This holds true,
by the way, of any other awards conferring no precedence; they shouldn't
be listed on an OP. They can appear in a kingdom awards list, which is
different.
<p>--Alisandre
<p>"Rayburn, Timothy" wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE> 
<p><font face="Courier New"><font size=-1>On Wednesday, October 13, 1999
12:47 PM, jruble [SMTP:jruble at napa-bbi.com] wrote:</font></font>
<br><font face="Courier New"><font size=-1>></font></font> <font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Sorry,
Timothy.  You left out Baronial service orders and the Sable Comet</font></font>
<br><font face="Courier New"><font size=-1>></font></font>
<br><font face="Courier New"><font size=-1>></font></font> <font face="Arial"><font size=-1>for
shire service.  They would go between 13 and 14 in your listing.</font></font>
<br><font face="Courier New"><font size=-1>></font></font>
<br><font face="Courier New"><font size=-1>></font></font> <font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Ulf
Gunnarsson</font></font>
<br><font face="Courier New"><font size=-1>></font></font>
<p><font face="Courier New"><font size=-1>Ah, well, I knew that someone
would find something I missed.</font></font>
<p><font face="Courier New"><font size=-1>I actually noticed, about 20
minutes later, that I missed the Baronial Service Orders.  I didn't
correct myself because I was kinda wondering who was gonna notice. Below
is the updated, and I believe completely correct, OP of Awards for Ansteorra. 
Also a fine list can be found at "The Guiding Hand" which I believe is
missing the Centurions, but has several of the Principality of Ansteorra
awards listed in their places, such as the Madonnas of Ansteorra, and others.</font></font>
<p><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>1) Crown</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>2) Crown Prince</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>3) Duke</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>4) Count</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>5) Viscount (obviously all of these
are imported or from the days of</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>the Principality of Ansteorra)</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>6) Barons in Fief</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>7) Knight, Master at Arms, Master
of the Laurel, Master of the Pelican</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>8) Letters Patent</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>9) Court Barons</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>10) Iris of Merit, Star of Merit,
Centurions of the Sable Star, White</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Scarf</font></font> <font face="Arial"><font size=-1>of
Ansteorra</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>11) Grant of Arms (called Grants of
Rank in Ansteorra)</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>12) King's Gauntlet, Queen's Glove</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>13) Sable Thistle, Sable Crane</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>14) Baronial Service Awards (Azure
Keystone of Elfsea, Heart of the</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>Sable Storm, Sentinels of the Stargate,
etc), Sable Comet</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>15) Award of Arms</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>16) King's Archer, Golden Bridle,
Sable Falcon, Queens Rapier, Lions</font></font>
<br><font face="Arial"><font size=-1>of Ansteorra, Order of the Rose, Motley
Sash</font></font></blockquote>
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