ANSTHRLD - Grant question

Joe Parris sirwolfdude at hotmail.com
Fri Oct 15 09:48:51 PDT 1999


Tadhg, sounds like to me that you grew disilluisioned for the same reasons I 
did. I am not going to go into them, except to say after 10+ years of loyal 
service to this kingdom, I have squat to show for it. Mainly cause I was not 
in the cliques that invariably form in a group like this. I decided, after 
an almost 2 year sabbatical, to not let that get in the way of my perception 
of the Dream.

Awards are all fine and dandy, but darn it, they just sometimes get in the 
way. We try to idolize what the time period that we span was about and that 
means we also mimic its "ranking" system. Sadly, we do not know the full 
intent for some of the badges and what they mean, so we come up with our own 
meanings and our own badges.

So, with all this discussion I have seen, we are going around in circles 
here. Nothing is being determined, except the fact that we get to see the 
bad side of someone that just so happened to get passed over, left out, or 
is just plain grouchy. Now let us discuss real Heraldic issues and leave 
personal opinions and pissiness out of this discussion group, ok??

Alan McGuire, aspiring Herald of Stargate


>From: "Dr Tiomoid M. of Angle" <tiomoid at yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: heralds at Ansteorra.ORG
>To: heralds at Ansteorra.ORG
>Subject: Re: ANSTHRLD - Grant question
>Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 05:59:31 -0700 (PDT)
>
>--- Amanda Lewanski <editor at texas.net> wrote:
>
> > > Yeah, yeah, and it ranks right up there with Santa Claus and the
> > > Tooth Fairy as a cute story to tell the easily-impressed, but it's
> > > all whipped cream.
> >
> > No offense, Tadhg, but Jan was there and you weren't.
>
>No offense, Alisandre, but what he tells you (and what you tell us) and
>reality aren't necessarily the same thing. In my MBA program we had a
>fun little course called "Organizational Behavior" that gave us the
>benefit of a lot of professionals looking into the subject full-time.
>
> > > I've seen a lot of Lions given out; and some I thought
> > > well-deserved, and some I thought Stupid Political Tricks --
> > > much as with the peerage orders.
> >
> > Well, jeez, of course.
>
>Then there goes your whole argument, right out the window. It doesn't
>matter a damn what the people who created the order intended, past
>about the first two or three awards; what matters is how the order
>operates today -- and that makes the whole mythology behind it just
>that: mythology.
>
> > I do believe that you can't judge any accolade solely by
> > the people who receive (or give) it; it must be looked at in the
> > light of its own standards.
>
>That's nonsense. The actual "standards" of an order are to be found in
>the sort of people in the order, not the sort of people somebody would
>like to have you believe they want in the order. Actions speak louder
>than words. Don't believe everything you're told .
>
> > Look to your own profession--too many people judge lawyers by
> > their experience with individual lawyers, and ignore the ideals of
> > the position f "lawyer."
>
>And rightly so (disregarding the fact that "my own profession" is
>computer programming, precisely because the legal profession falls so
>far short of its supposed ideals). Talk is cheap, and people correctly
>believe those who put their money where their mouths are. (If I've
>missed a cliche in these last paragraphs, it was unintentional.)
>
> > > How this sort of thing serves a useful function I can't imagine ...
> >
> > Ah, you have my pity. Why did you *join* the SCA?
>
>Because I mistakenly believed that it had something to do with the
>Middle Ages and Renaissance. By the time I found out the truth, that it
>was just a bunch of social-fringe geeks who couldn't handle the real
>world and preferred to live in FantasyLand, all of my friends (mostly
>people like myself who had wandered in by mistake and foolishly
>believed the advertising, as you would have us do) were in the SCA,
>too, and it was play in the SCA or be a hermit. And I haven't really
>made a final decision on that.
>
>
>Tadhg
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