ANSTHRLD - Group Name Help

[George Basore]

On Wed, 12 Jul 2000 02:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Teceangl <tierna at agora.rdrop.com> wrote:
>> Question 3:  Is Land of Thistles an appropriate period group name?
>> 
>> My own thoughts on question 3 support it as better than a lot of 
>> group names I've run across.  The "Land of" part bothers me a little 
>> bit though.  If it is a Canton, then it is a geographic space so the 
>> "Land of" seems redundant.  On the other hand, Canton of <Thistles> 
>> seems a little lacking.
>> 
>> Since I will see him at Moonschadowe, any comments/suggestions?
>
>Perhaps "Thistle <toponymical feature>"?  Such as "Thistle Hill", or
>"Thistle Meadow" or "Thistle Green"?
>
>I browsed _MacBain's Etymological Dictionary of the Gaelic Language_ at
>http://www.ceantar.org/Dicts/search.html and got several Old Gaelic and
>Early Irish words on "meadow", "field", "thistle" (search by Word, not
>Headword).
>
>Feochadan seems to be modern.  MacBain references fobhannan under that
>entry and under fobhannan says, "Early Irish omthann".   
>
  Our reason for choosing "feochadan" over other possible
Gaelic words was entirely pragmatic. All of us can pronounce it.
  I am the most multilingual member so far in Ponca, and 
I'm doing my best to teach these kids what gaelic I know.
Meanwhile I'm learning as fast as I can. If anyone knows the whereabouts of a Scot'sGaelic-English dictionary, let
me know. We are using Irish because that's all we've got
                   Capt. Robt Haddock, RSN-Ret.
                      (Tony Basore)
>Also of interest [these are cut-and-paste from the dictionary] (the {'a} 
>indicates a-grave, the {a'} indicates a-acute; for further information on this 
>notation system see http://www.kwantlen.bc.ca/~donna/sca/heraldry/notation.html
>or ask Daniel Arbalest for pointers to other good sites):
>
>   achadh - a field, so Irish, Old Gaelic achad, Old Irish ached (locative?) 
>      campu lus (Adamnan), *acoto-; Latin acies, acnua, field.
>   magh - a plain, a field, Irish magh, Old Irish mag
>   machair - a plain, level, arable land, Manx magher, Irish, Middle Irish
>      machaire, macha
>   srath - a valey, strath, Irish, Middle Irish srath, meadow land or holm
>      along banks of a river or loch, often swampy (Joyce), Old Irish israth
>   dinnein - a small heap, Irish dinn, a hill, fortified hill, Early Irish 
>      dinn dind (do.), *dindu-
>   cnoc - a hillock, Ir, cnoc, Old Irish cnocc, Old Breton cnoch,
>      tumulus, Breton kreac'h, krec'henn, hill, *knokko-
>   l{'a}irig - a moor, sloping hill, a pass; cf. Middle Irish laarg, fork, leg
>      and thigh, Old Irish loarcc, furca. Often in place names:
>   cluain - a green plain, pasture, Irish and Early Irish cluain: *clopni-;
>   l{'a}r - the ground, Irish, Old Irish l{a'}r, Welsh llawr, Old Cornish lor,
>   learg - plain, hillside, Irish learg, Early Irish lerg, a plain; cf. 
>       Latin largus, English large.
>   ionad - a place, Irish ionad, ionnad; the Early Irish has inad only, 
>       pointing to modern ionadh:
>
>I also suggest a search on "place".
>
>I hope these help.  They're cited with Old, Early or Middle Irish spellings,
>so you won't fall into the trap of using modern words and finding out later 
>they're not all that good.
>I love the idea of "a place of thistles" as a branch name.  It's so...real.
>
>- Teceangl
>-- 
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>					     - Astrid Sigurdsdottir
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