ANSTHRLD - Conflict Check

Timothy A. McDaniel tmcd at jump.net
Tue Oct 17 21:39:17 PDT 2000


Teceangl <tierna at agora.rdrop.com> wrote:
> > Per pall inverted sable purpure and Or
versus
> Crispus Alexander - Gyronny of three arrondi, gules, Or, and purpure.
> 
> Registered in 1971...

9/71.  I'm presuming that "gyronny of three", no longer registerable,
means "per pall inverted", because if it had meant "per pall", I hope
they would have said it.  The LoAR reads

    CRISPUS ALEXANDER. Gyronny of three arrondi, gules, Or, and purpure.

    NOTE: Alternative blazons for this pinwheel-like field division
    are "Tierced in grons arrondi" and "Tierced in gyron gyronnant."
    We believe the first one given is the clearest and most
    descriptive, for someone who has acquired the basic heraldic
    vocabulary.

I don't know WHAT the Hell "in grons" might mean, unless it's a typo
for "in gyrons".  Ah -- it's in the Early Years precedents as "in
gyrons".  Simple typo.

> By X.4.a. you cannot get difference for reversing/ rearranging the
> tinctures of a per pall field division.

That rule says only "reversing", but "rearranging" is implied by the
last example:

    There is a clear difference for reversing the tinctures of a field
    evenly divided into two parts, per saltire, or quarterly, but not
    for reversing the tinctures of a field divided in any other way;
    "Per pale nebuly ermine and gules" has one clear difference from
    "Per pale nebuly gules and ermine," but "Paly ermine and gules"
    has no clear difference from "Paly gules and ermine."

I *think* that there's no CD for tincture, given a change to only a
third and rearranging the other two, but I'd like Rouland's opinion.

> I also don't think arrondi gets a CD

Fortunately, it's quite easy to search text-file forms of Laurel
precedents (or even LoARs) for the uncommon word "arrondi", revealing
that you're wrong.  Jaelle bootlegs, s.v. Difference:

    [Per pall arrondi sable, azure and argent] This is clear of the
    flag of the Czech Republic (Important non-SCA flag) Per pall
    azure, gules and argent., with one CD for changing the tincture of
    one [sic; surely she meant "two"?] of the three parts, and another
    for changing the style of partition lines - from straight to
    arrondi. (Jaelle of Armida, LoAR May 1997, p. 6)

The X.4.a Rule itself says that:

    (c) Other Field-Primary Armory - In any case, independent changes
    to the tincture, direction of partition lines, style of partition
    lines, or number of pieces in the partition may be counted
    separately when comparing two pieces of field-primary armory.

and "style of partition line" is shown to include nebuly.

Still a conflict, because I'm pretty sure there's only 1 CD.

> > Per pall inverted sable purpure and Or
> 
> Excellent blazon.  Comma between sable and purpure.

To expand on what I wrote earlier, punctuation is almost always
strictly unnecessary, although there are SCA conventions in many
cases.  If punctuation IS necessary, it's usually a sign of non-period
style trouble.  Fundamentally, the blazon doesn't matter *IF* it's
clear which tincture is where, because kingdom and Laurel will
reblazon at will anyway.

As a firm believer in the Proper Serial Comma, I would write
    Per pall inverted sable, purpure, and Or.
There's the classic "I'd like to thank my parents, Ayn Rand and God".

Daniel "bound in gyrons and cast into the brig" de Lincolia
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