ANSTHRLD - Fw: Help tracking down a name.

[Brent Ryder]

>A submitter has requested that I help her find out what happened with her
>name submission.  I have as yet been unable to find anything (I no longer
>have past gazettes to look in).  The name is Zacarria Inez de Bolzan and
>she said she submitted it at Gulf War.

ILoI0400, item 19

19) Zacaria Inés Balzan (Bryn Gwlad)
	New name.  New device.

Gules, a peacock displayed Or.

Documentation provided:
Zacaria	feminine given name listed under 'Z' in Spanish and Mexican Given Names, Saul Pollack (Los Angeles, CA: Committee for Social Research, May 1940).  "Zecharia" is dated to 1586 as a feminine given name in England in Garrett-Pegge, T.W., A Transcript of the First Volume, 1538-1636, of the Parish Register of Chesham, Buchingham County, (London: Elliat Stock, 1904), Facsimilie Reprint: (Bowie, MD: Heritage Books, Inc., 1993).

Inés	feminine given name dated to the 15th C in Juliana de Luna, "Spanish Names from Late 15th Century" found at www.panix.com/~mittle/names/juliana/isabella/ accessed 4/6/00.

Balzan	Spanish surname.  "Pedro Balzan" dated to 1156 by Diez Melcon on p 122 of Apellidos Castellano-Leoneses, (University of Granada, 1957).
Photocopies: All cited.
Changes: Minor changes only. Most important is that the first name start with a "Z" and the surname start with a "B."  Desired gender is female. Changes requested for authenticity to 15C Spanish.




>From AICC 0400:

19. Zacaria Ines Balzan (Bryn Gwlad)

New name, new device. Gules, a peacock displayed Or.

Da'ud ibn Auda 

[Device] The peacock is not "displayed" (think, "spread-eagled"); it is in his pride. Unfortunately, this very simple device conflicts with an equally simple badge: Barony of One Thousand Eyes,(Fieldless) A peacock in his pride head to sinister Or. There's a CD for the fieldless/field difference, but the way the head is facing is insufficient for the second necessary CD.


Magnus von Lübeck 

[Name] Feminine Given Names in Chesham, 1538-1600/1 by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan http://www.panix.com/~mittle/names/mari/chesham/chesham-feminine.html lists Zecharia from April 18, 1586. Melcon, Apellidos Castellano-Leoneses, page 105 under Zacharias gives Dominico Zancarias from 1097 and page 265 under Baba gives Zach Baua from 1187. This name should be fine for 12th to 15th century Spain.

[Device] This submission gets left out of the pecking order because of conflict with September 1997 (via Artemisia): "(Fieldless) A peacock in his pride head to sinister Or" for Order of the Peacock's Pride of One Thousand Eyes. There is only a CD for the field. That peacock has pecked several submitters lately. It looks like purpure and argent peacocks in their pride have been used. Shire of Mooneschadowe registered January 1996: "(Fieldless) A peacock in its pride proper." A peacock proper is vert and azure ruling out those two choices as well. Bordures have also been used with many of these. The submitter is advised to get any redesign carefully checked for conflicts.


Northkeep 

[Name] The documentation shows a 400 year span between the name elements. There is no documentation for the given name as being period in Spain.

[Device] Will be surprised if this gets past a conflict check.

Bryn Gwlad 

[Name] Says Salvador: We have no dates on Zacaria. The source given is unreliable. She could actually register the spelling given from England, "Zecharia", since it is at most one weirdness in the name. The second name and surname are fine. Although multiple names are not common in Iberia, they are documentable, therefore registerable.

[Device] Conflict with Constantinople, Emperor of, "Gules, a double-headed eagle Or". There's probably a CD for type for very different-looking birds, but not X.2 substantial difference of type (birds are birds for that rule).

 

19. COLLEGE ACTION:

Name: Forwarded to Laurel as Zecharia Ines Balzan.

Device: Returned for multiple conflicts. See Magnus and Bryn Gwlad.


>From LoI 0600:

34) Zecharia Ines Balzan Name. 

New name. New device. Minor changes only. Most important is that the first name start with a "Z" and the surname start with a "B." Desired gender is female. Changes requested for authenticity to 15C Spanish. Submitted as Zacaria Inés Balzan, the name was changed at kingdom to match dated documented forms. 

Zecharia : feminine given name listed under 'Z' in Spanish and Mexican Given Names, Saul Pollack (Los Angeles, CA: Committee for Social Research, May 1940). "Zecharia" is dated to 1586 as a feminine given name in England in Garrett-Pegge, T.W., A Transcript of the First Volume, 1538-1636, of the Parish Register of Chesham, Buchingham County, (London: Elliat Stock, 1904), Facsimilie Reprint: (Bowie, MD: Heritage Books, Inc., 1993). Magnus von Lübeck: Feminine Given Names in Chesham, 1538-1600/1 by Mari Elspeth nic Bryan http://www.panix.com/~mittle/ names/mari/chesham/chesham-feminine.html lists Zecharia from April 18, 1586. Melcon, Apellidos Castellano-Leoneses, page 105 under Zacharias gives Dominico Zancarias from 1097 and page 265 under Baba gives Zach Baua from 1187. This name should be fine for 12th to 15th century Spain. Bryn Gwlad: Says Salvador: We have no dates on Zacaria. The source given is unreliable. She could actually register the spelling given from England, "Zecharia", since it is at most one weirdness in the name. The second name and surname are fine. Although multiple names are not common in Iberia, they are documentable, therefore registerable. 

Ines: feminine given name dated to the 15th C in Juliana de Luna, "Spanish Names from Late 15th Century" found at www.panix.com/~mittle/names/juliana/isabella/ accessed 4/6/00. 

Balzan: Spanish surname. "Pedro Balzan" dated to 1156 by Diez Melcon on p 122 of Apellidos Castellano-Leoneses, (University of Granada, 1957). 


This would put the submission being decided on in October of last year (or so) and we do not have any LoAR from Laurel since September.

This info is readily available on the Ansteorran College of Heralds Web Page at:

http://www.ansteorra.org/regnum/herald/

Hope this helps

Borek, Star
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