[ANSTHRLD] possible name submission

PoetLover poetlover at spdway.net
Mon Jul 16 06:48:04 PDT 2001


Magnus-
Are you sure you aren't some kind of SCA name god? :) Thank you but I think
this is enough research. This one is not as hard to please as the Odin
Silverwolf one. (BTW he is completely rethinking his name now.)
Bridgid


> Anna McToma'ir
>
> First of all Gaelic is a thistle patch that you can
> really get tangled in.  Let's look at the construction
> problems with this name and how they might be fixed.
> Anna is English and wouldn't have been used in Scotland
> till the very end of period.  This is still registerable though.  The
> McToma'ir is the bigger problem.  The research and submitter indicate it
was
> an early form of Thomson.  So we have a possible 500 year time gap in
> the names, mixing Gaelic and English names, and the
> last name is not constructed properly for anglicized
> Gaelic surnames.  In Gaelic mac Toma'ir means son
> of Thomas, literally.  So add incorrect gender
> construction as well.
>
> Anne is found in Black, Surnames of Scotland,
> from 1529 under Yut page 830; and 1586 under Whitelock page 812.
> http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?2251+0  From this
St
> Gabriel report
> and OCorrain & Maguire page 19 header A'ine it looks like Anna was
> introduced into Scotland after period.
>
> St Gabriels gives a close form in Gaelic of A'ne.
> [1] Donnchadh O/ Corra/in & Mavis Cournane, "The Annals of Ulster" (WWW:
> CELT: Corpus of Electronic Texts: a project of University College, Cork,
> Ireland, 1997), entry U1171.6 mentions <Ane, ingen Mic Duinn Sleibhe,
> righan Oirghiall>. http://www.ucc.ie/celt/online/G100001/
> A'ne 1171
>
> http://www.ucc.ie/celt/online/G100002/
> Annals of Tigernach T995.5
> Fail Tomair & claidim Carlusa do breith do Mael Sechnaill mac Domnaill ar
> eicin o Gallaib Atha Cliath.
> This dates the form Tomair to 995.  Woulfe, Irish
> Names and Surnames, page 411 header mac Tomais gives mac Tomair without
> dates.
>
> With this information we can propose a Gaelic name,
> A'ne ingen Toma'ir.  We can also propose a Scots name,
> Anna McThomas or Anna McThomson.
>
> If the submitter wants more documentation I can
> search some more.
>
> Magnus von Lubeck
>
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