ANSTHRLD - LoAR 0011 (results for ILoI0005, LoI0007)

[Kathri at aol.com]

Kathri here.  Before you get to the "RETURNS" let me quickly say, as a member 
of Griffin's "Asterisk/Bordure/Arbalest Transition Staff",  that the "no 
forms were sent to Laurel" problems will be fixed in the March/01 LoI.  We 
knew the problem existed for some submissions in this group, but needed to 
know *which* submissions could be fixed just by sending the forms, versus 
those that have other problems as well.  

Now to the good part:
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ACCEPTANCES - ANSTEORRA

Ansteorra, Kingdom of. Badge change for the Chronicler. (Fieldless) A mullet 
of five greater and five lesser points distilling gouttes Or. 
    This is a change from their currently registered badge, (Tinctureless) A 
mullet of five greater and five lesser points distilling gouttes. While the 
new badge has a number of conflicts and style problems, all of them also 
apply to the registered badge (in fact, the new badge is simply one of 
several valid depictions of the original badge).

Béoán of Gate's Edge. Holding name and device. Per bend sinister gules and 
sable, a bull's massacre argent. 
    Submitted under the name Béoán mac Tarbh, the name was returned in 
October 2000.

Hans of Brad Leah. Holding name and device. Argent, on a chief triangular 
purpure a cross of Jerusalem argent, a base wavy sable. 
    Submitted under the name Hans Faust von Bamberg, the name was returned in 
October 2000.
    Please instruct the submitter to draw a shallower triangular chief. 

Magnus von Lübeck. Household name Household of the Crimson Alembic. 

Medb ingen Domnaill uí Somhairle. Name. 

Robin of Seawinds. Name. 

RETURNS - ANSTEORRA

Aedh Finn mac Cormaic. Name. 
    No forms were sent to Laurel.

Aleksandra von Drachenklaue. Name. 
    Mixing Russian and German, while not very plausible, is registerable 
under our rules. The byname was documented from a web site titled Magische 
Welt Ija Marcar, under Der dritte interaktive Netzroman. That is, "The 
Magical World Ija Marcar", "The Third Interactive Net Novel". While fantasy 
novels are not acceptable as documentation, a case was made for the byname as 
a hypothetical constructed locative as well. However, no forms were sent to 
Laurel, so we have to return the name.

Anton Cwith. Name. 
    No forms were sent to Laurel.

Brian du Val. Name and device. Bendy and per bend sinister argent and azure, 
a goblet within an orle Or. 
    No forms were sent to Laurel.

Evet von Drachenklaue. Name and device. Argent, a dragon segreant azure 
within a bordure sable. 
    The byname was documented from a web site titled Magische Welt Ija 
Marcar, under Der dritte interaktive Netzroman. That is, "The Magical World 
Ija Marcar", "The Third Interactive Net Novel". While fantasy novels are not 
acceptable as documentation, a case was made for the byname as a hypothetical 
constructed locative as well. The given name was only documented as an 
English byname, and we would have changed it to the German given name Evert. 
However, no forms were sent to Laurel, so we have to return it.

Jane Templeman. Name and device. Per bend sinister gules and Or, a pheasant 
contourny and a pheasant counterchanged. 
    No forms were sent to Laurel.

Magnus von Lübeck. Badge. An astrolabe erminois. 
    An astrolabe has far too much internal detail to remain identifiable when 
tinctured in a fur.

Martin Fletcher. Device. Per saltire argent and gules, an eagle displayed, 
and in chief two compass stars sable. 
    No forms were sent to Laurel.

Michael Silverhand. Device. Quarterly azure and argent. 
    Conflict with Aethelstan of Axford, Quarterly azure and argent, an orle 
embattled on the inner edge counterchanged. An orle is a peripheral ordinary; 
therefore RfS X.1 (Addition of Primary Charge) does not apply. Thus there is 
only a single CD for removing the orle.

Plokhoi Sobaku. Name and device. Argent, a dog statant guardant and on a 
chief vert an arrow reversed Or. 
    I can do no better than quote Escutcheon:
... there are serious problems with this name.  First of all, the second 
element is "Sobaka" and NOT "Sobaku" (check Wickenden again).  Secondly, the 
name may be masculine, but the word is feminine.  This would normally not 
matter but as the client has added a descriptive anthroponym in front 
(obviously, they want to be "bad dog"), the proper gramatical construction is 
Plokhaia Sobaka.  Finally, there is the question of whether one can construct 
a anthroponym in this fashion.  There certainly are cases of compound 
(double-element) given names - where you see an adjective and noun combined 
together to create a given name - but nothing involving animals.  
Furthermore, the result is that the two words would be treated as a single 
element. As a result, there is no byname at all and only a single given name. 
 As we do not register single-element names, this cannot be registered even 
if the grammar is corrected.
    What might be registerable?  A man named Sobaka who wanted to be "Sobaka 
the Bad" (as opposed to "bad dog") might exist.  The name then would be 
Sobaka Plokhoi, but I can guarantee you that no modern Russian would be able 
to swallow this name and cannot even attest that it would be period as we 
have no cases of adjectival bynames being added to masculine names with 
feminine endings.  Thus, we have no guide. What we can say with great 
certainty is that this name needs serious work.
    Finally, a reminder that double Russian given names (as the client was 
trying to construct here) are not grammatically sound in the first place.       
    Furthermore, no forms were sent to Laurel.

Plokhoi Sobaku. Badge. Or, on an arrowhead sable a mullet Or. 
    No forms were sent to Laurel.

Riane le Cygne. Name. 
    The documentation was not adequately summarized in the LoI. Since the 
College did     not provide documentation either, this will have to be 
returned as per the May LoAR cover letter. Further, no evidence was given or 
found by the College that the given name is actually a period diminutive of 
Ariane. Lastly, no forms were sent to Laurel.

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