ANSTHRLD - conflict check an advice please

[becky demonja]

Thank you for the comments it gives me lots to think about.  Please watch
for the next couple of pieces I will need help with.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Timothy A. McDaniel" <tmcd at jump.net>
To: <heralds at ansteorra.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 20:21
Subject: Re: ANSTHRLD - conflict check an advice please


> By the way, I like the original design.  Pily [bendwise] is Germanic,
> and not done as much in the SCA as in period.  The rose was the single
> most common plant in armory.  The tinctures chosen were all common in
> period.  It would make a nice device.
>
> > Would there be a second difference if I add a
> > belt around the rose either sable or purpure?
>
> This would be registerable.  (There are other registrations of the
> motif in this decade.  OK, at least one; I don't remember exactly how
> many total.)  It would not fall afoul of the precedent banning, on a
> *fieldless* design, charges within a loop of belt.  (That's how
> Scottish clan badges are displayed, you see.)  It would clear the
> conflict cited.  I suppose there could be new conflicts, but that's
> much less likely.
>
> I'd like to give advice, and so I'd like to step back and ask the
> purpose of the badge.  The SCA uses "badge" to mean lots of things;
> the period term was much more narrow.  Do you intend to use it like a
> badge was used in period, to mark your retainers, flunkies, and other
> personal possessions?  If so, I would recommend a usual period-style
> badge: one object without a background ("fieldless"), or occasionally
> two or more joined objects fieldless.  (It's a pity that "a rose en
> soleil", a rose with sunbeams eminating, was a badge of the later
> Plantagenets and is therefore not registerable (CoA Glossary of Terms,
> Table 2, Restricted Charges).  A quatrefoil or trefoil en soleil would
> be the closest you could get.  Those would still be pretty, I think.)
>
> If, on the other hand, you have some other purpose in mind, a fielded
> "badge" may be appropriate.  For example, if it's a flag for a
> fighting household, and if you wanted to follow period style, then you
> would certainly have a field in the armory.
>
> I will also note that circular-thing-around-another-thing is generally
> modern, for arms and badges, with perhaps the exception of Scots clan
> badges (I don't know when that started), and for displays of
> membership in an order (e.g., the blue garter around the shield for a
> Knight of the Garter).  (By the way, one reason I dislike the required
> laurel wreath for groups is that it invites moving away from period
> usage, due to the temptation of fitting it in via "a widget within a
> laurel wreath".)
>
> You might consider other changes, like upping the number of roses,
> changing their colors, et cetera, though those are also more or less
> likely to conflict.
>
> Purple was quite rare in period armory, being in around 1% of all arms
> (except for Iberia, where it rose to perhaps 8%).
>
>
> HOWEVER.  Please note that there are differences between
>     - SCA-registerable style
>     - period style
>     - what Daniel de Lincoln likes
> Sometimes there are VAST differences.
>
> If you want a badge, and for any reason you want a field, you can have
> it (assuming no conflicts or other rules violations).  I simply like
> to point out period style notes in case you care and want to follow
> it.  You are under no obligation to do so, so long as it's
> registerable anyway.
>
> Daniel de Lincolia
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