[ANSTHRLD] Alia - St Gabriel reports
doug bell
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Sun Jan 27 15:07:53 PST 2002
These are the 3 reports on Alia. St Gabriel's website
certainly can't be accused of being friendly to new
computer users. The information is there but the
access is strange.
Magnus
ACADEMY OF SAINT GABRIEL REPORT 991
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26 May 1998
Greetings from the Academy of Saint Gabriel!
You asked for information about the name <Illia>, which you hope to use as
a French feminine name. Here is what we have found.
We were unable to find <Illia> as a French personal name. We did find it as
a place name. The name of the town of <Illac> is recorded as <Illia>
around the year 1250 [1].
We did find some fairly similar early-medieval personal names. We find the
name <Elia> or <Helia> recorded from the 8th to the 11th centuries. The
masculine form of the same name, <Elius>, appears in around 800 as <Ilius>
[2]. These examples establish a good argument that <Ilia> is a plausible
name for the same period. But we don't find any spelling of this name with
a double <l>, so we recommend against <Illia>.
We also found the name <Alia> in use in about the same period [2].
If you want an early medieval Frankish persona, then <Elia> or <Ilia> is a
reasonable first name. In this period, people used only a single name, so
it would be most authentic for you to use no surname at all. If you want
to register this name, you'll need some kind of surname; the best choice
would be a byname that identifies your father. Written documents in this
period were uniformly in Latin, so the best written forms of your name
would be something like <Elia filia Johanis> "Elia, daughter of Johanes".
But in everyday speech, you would have been known by your first name
alone.
If you want a later-medieval persona, then you might want to use the place
name <Illia> in your name. A name like <Alys d'Illia> would be a good
choice for a 13th century persona. That name would have been written in
Latin as <Alicia de Illia>.
I hope this letter has been useful. Please write us again if any part of
it has been unclear or if you have other questions. I was assisted in
researching and writing this letter by Margaret M'Fee, AElfwyn ate Gyrwum,
Antonio Miguel Santos de Borja, Talan Gwynek, Walraven van Nijmegen, and
Giulietta da Venezia.
For the Academy,
Arval Benicoeur
26 May 1998
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References
[1] Dauzat, Albert & Ch. Rostaing, _Dictionnaire Etymologique des Noms de
Lieux de la France_ (Paris: Librairie Larousse, 1963), s.n. Illac.
[2] Morlet, Marie-Therese, _Les Noms de Personne sur le Territoire de
l'Ancienne Gaule du VIe au XIIe Siecle_, three volumes (Paris: Centre
National de la Recherche Scientifique, 1972), I:32b; v.II s.nn. Elia,
Elius.
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ACADEMY OF SAINT GABRIEL REPORT 2136
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19 Oct 2000
Greetings from the Academy of Saint Gabriel!
You asked whether <Alia la Phale\ne Noir>, meaning "Alia the Black Moth",
is an appropriate name for a 13th century French woman. Here is what we
have found.
You told us you found <Alia> mentioned in one of our reports [1].
Unfortunately, as we noted in that report, we found the name used in the
9th century [2]. We have no evidence that the name was still in use 400
years later, so we cannot recommend it for your period.
Happily, we found an alternative that might appeal to you: <Aele>, recorded
in Artois (in northwestern France) around 1300 [3]. This is a rare
feminine name, but it does fit your period. It was pronounced \AAH-l@\,
where \@\ represents a schwa, the sound of the 'a' in <about> or <sofa>.
Unfortunately, the byname <la Phale\ne Noir> doesn't fit any pattern of
naming that we've observed in your period. We found a few examples of
bynames based on the names of insects and other animals, but none that were
compounded with an adjective. For example, we found <Abeille> "bee" used
for a beekeeper and <Leleu> "the wolf" [7], but nothing like <Le Leu Noir>
"the black wolf".
Even if you drop <noir>, the name won't fit your period: The word
<phale\ne> appeared in French only in 1568 [4]. By then, surnames were
inherited in France, so there's no chance that the word could have been
used to create a new surname. In addition, <phale\ne> is a technical term
from entomology; the common term for a moth is <papillon de nuit>
(literally "night butterfly").
We found an alternative that might appeal to you. The word for "butterfly"
was used as a byname as early as the 13th century, when it appears as
<Papellon>. The form <Papelon> was recorded in the 15th century. It was
used to signify quickness, nimbleness, or fickleness [5, 6]. Both examples
were recorded in Picardy, quite close to Artois where we found the given
name <Aele>. <Aele Papellon> or <Aele la Papellonne> would be a fine
choice for northwestern France in your period. The word <la> "the" appears
to have been optional in this sort of byname.
We hope this letter has been useful. Please write us again if any part of
it has been unclear or if you have other questions. I was assisted in
researching and writing this letter by Isfael ap Briafael, Aryanhwy merch
Catmael, Antonio Miguel Santos de Borja, Mari neyn Brian, Talan Gwynek,
Adelaide de Beaumont, Amant le Marinier, Juliana de Luna, and Dietmar von
Straubing.
For the Academy,
Arval Benicoeur
19 Oct 2000
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References
[1] Academy of S. Gabriel report 991
http://www.panix.com/~gabriel/public-bin/showfinal.cgi?991
[2] Morlet, Marie-Therese, _Les Noms de Personne sur le Territoire de
l'Ancienne Gaule du VIe au XIIe Siecle_, three volumes (Paris: Centre
National de la Recherche Scientifique, 1972), I:32b.
[3] Bougard, Pierre, and Maurits Gysseling, _L'Impot Royal en Artois
(1295-1302): Ro^les du 100e et du 50e pre/sente/s et publie/s avec une
table anthroponymique, Me/moires de la Commission Royale de Toponymie et de
Dialectologie #13 (Louvain: Imprimerie Orientaliste, B.P. 41, 1970).
[4] Robert, Paul, _Le Petit Robert 1: Dictionnaire alphabe/tique et
analogique de la langue franc,ais_ (Paris: Le Robert, 1985), s.v. phale\ne.
[5] Morlet, Marie-Therese, _Etude d'anthroponymie picarde, les noms de
personne en Haute Picardie aux XIIIe, XIVe, XVe siecles_ (Amiens, Musee de
Picardie, 1967), p.219.
[6] Dauzat, Albert, _Dictionnaire Etymologique des Noms de Famille et
Prenoms de France_ (Paris: Libraire Larousse, 1987), s.n. Papillon.
[7] Dauzat, s.nn. Abeille, Leleu.
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ACADEMY OF SAINT GABRIEL REPORT 2353
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8 Oct 2001
Greetings from the Academy of Saint Gabriel!
You asked whether <Alia> is an appropriate name for any part of pre-1600
Europe; you noted that we had previously found it in use in 9th century
France [1]. You asked us what sorts of surnames would be appropriate in
that period. Here is what we have found.
<Alia> was recorded in Reims (in Champagne near Picardy) in the 9th
century; the masculine form <Alio> was recorded in Strassburg (in Alsace)
in 778 [2]. In Continental European documents of this period, people are
almost always identified by a single name rather than the name and byname
(like <Jehanne la Normande>) that became the norm throughout Europe in the
later Middle Ages. Some nicknames were recorded, but they were evidently
for the most part very informal. In France in particular, one-element
names predominated until the mid-11th century [3, 4]. If you want to
register your name with the SCA College of Arms, you will need to add a
second element, even though that would make your name less authentic. If
you want to pursue this option, write us again and we'll discuss the
possibilities in more detail.
You told us you would consider other cultures & periods where your name
might also be appropriate. We didn't find <Alia> itself, but we did find
several similar names. <Ela> and <Ala> are recorded in 13th century
England; they were probably pet forms of <Elena> and <Eleanor>, <Alienor>
[5]. In later-period northern England, we find several names that were
probably pet forms of <Allison> [6]
Alie 1613 (which might have been Latinized <Alia> for documentary
purposes)
Alle 1605, 1607
Allea 1589 (Latin context, probably only a documentary form)
Alley 1604, 1605
Elie 1612
Ely 1611
The name <Ella> was recorded for a Jewish woman in 14th century France [7].
If any of these alternatives interests you, we'll be happy to give you the
correct pronunciation and help you choose an appropriate surname. We have
a fairly good collection of lists of 16th century English surnames online;
you can find them at
http://www.panix.com/~mittle/names/eng1450to1600.shtml
We hope this letter has been useful. Please write us again if any part of
it has been unclear or if you have other questions. I was assisted in
researching and writing this letter by Talan Gwynek, Adelaide de Beaumont,
Juliana de Luna, Julie Stampnitzky, and Aryanhwy merch Catmael.
For the Academy,
Arval Benicoeur
8 Oct 2001
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References
[1] Academy of Saint Gabriel reports 991 and 2136
http://www.s-gabriel.org/991
http://www.s-gabriel.org/2136
[2] Morlet, Marie-Therese, _Les Noms de Personne sur le Territoire de
l'Ancienne Gaule du VIe au XIIe Siecle_, three volumes (Paris: Centre
National de la Recherche Scientifique, 1972), I:32b.
[3] Schwarz, Ernst. Deutsche Namenforschung. I: Ruf- und Familiennamen
(Go"ttingen: Vandenhoeck & Ruprecht, 1949): p.63f.
[4] Bourin, Monique, "France du Midi et France du Nord: Deux Syste\mes
Anthroponymiques?", pp.179-202 in Bourin, Monique, Jean-Marie-Martin, and
Francois Menant, eds., _L'Anthroponymie: Document de l'Histoire Sociale des
Mondes Me/diterrane/ens Me/die/vaux_, Collection de l'E/cole Franc,aise de
Rome, 226 (Rome: E/cole Franc,aise de Rome, 1996), p.191.
[5] Reaney, P. H., & R. M. Wilson, _A Dictionary of English Surnames_
(London: Routledge, 1991; Oxford University Press, 1995), s.n. Ell.
[6] Several sources at the GENUKI (UK and Ireland Genealogy) website (WWW,
GENUKI, 1996).
Marriages from the Durham St Oswald Registers (1538-1734)
http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/genuki/Transcriptions/DUR/DSO.html
Marriages from the Whickham Registers (1534-1654)
http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/genuki/Transcriptions/DUR/WHK1579.html
Marriages from the Durham St Mary South Bailey Registers (1559-1837)
http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/genuki/Transcriptions/DUR/DSL.html
Marriages from the Long Newton Registers (1564-1837)
http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/genuki/Transcriptions/DUR/LON.html
Marriages from the Houghton-le-Spring Registers (1563-1699)
http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/genuki/Transcriptions/DUR/HSP1563.html
Marriages from the Aycliffe Registers (1560-1837)
http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/genuki/Transcriptions/DUR/AYC.html
[7] Friedemann, Sara L. (aka Aryanhwy merch Catmaeil), "Jewish Given Names
found in _Les Noms des Israe/lites en France_" (WWW: Self-published, 2000).
http://www.sit.wisc.edu/~sfriedemann/names/levyintro.htm
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