Bob Dewart gilli at seacove.net
Sat Mar 9 08:59:01 PST 2002

Greetings and Hi There,

OK, so let me see.  I'm just trying to get the overall picture here.  From
01/07/89 to Francois's time, we had 7 Stars, correct?

So how come it took so long for the Rising Star paper work to get started?
It's not like we start a bunch of new awards.  Not having looked, but what,
perhaps 6 or 7 in the past 12 years?  Perhaps I'll research that this
afternoon after I get back from the Shire shed.

Couldn't Laurel just make an exception and pass it so the 239 recipients of
it wouldn't feel badly about the whole thing?


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From: +ACI-Keyna+ACI- +ADw-keyna+AEA-hot.rr.com+AD4-
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Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2002 10:31 AM
Subject: +AFs-ANSTHRLD+AF0- Re: +AFs-ANSTHRLD+AF0- Stars

+AD4- I thought that Richard of the Silverdawn had it before Dathi O' Cooney
+AD4- because Richard started Sable Crane and it was closed by Donal.
+AD4- Keyna
+AD4- ----- Original Message -----
+AD4- From: +ADw-tgnst+AEA-postoffice.swbell.net+AD4-
+AD4- To: +ADw-heralds+AEA-ansteorra.org+AD4-
+AD4- Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 2:27 PM
+AD4- Subject: Re: +AFs-ANSTHRLD+AF0- Stars
+AD4- +AD4- Hi+ACE- Heres what I have... Dates may be off, I'm still looking, I have
+AD4- copies of BS,
+AD4- +AD4- with holes, back to some issues of the Sable Star, and all the minuets
+AD4- all the
+AD4- +AD4- gazettes with very few holes... I believe the order is right, worked as
+AD4- scribe,
+AD4- +AD4- herald, or both in some capacity under all of them up to
+AD4- Francois...:-)...'Stacia
+AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- Aureliane Rhioghail                            Jan '79-Jul '82
+AD4- +AD4- Anebairn MacPharlaine of Arrochar  Aug '92-Dec '85
+AD4- +AD4- Sovany Barcsi Janos                         Jan '86-Jan '87
+AD4- +AD4- Aureliane Rioghail                             Mar '87-Jun '87
+AD4- +AD4- Adelicia of Gilwell                             Jul '87-Mar '88
+AD4- +AD4- Da'ud ibn Auda
+AD4- +AD4- Tadhg Liath of Duncairn
+AD4- +AD4- Dathi O'Cooney
+AD4- +AD4- Richard Silverdawn
+AD4- +AD4- Arenvald Kief of Kiersted                  Jul '94-Jan '96
+AD4- +AD4- Tostig Logiosophi                              Jan '96-Jan '97
+AD4- +AD4- Donal O'Dochartaigh                         Jan '97-Jan '99
+AD4- +AD4- Francois la Flamme
+AD4- +AD4- Borek Vitalalievich Volkov
+AD4- +AD4- Rosalia O Brogan
+AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- tmcd+AEA-jump.net wrote:
+AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4- A while back, I started a project to list every Ansteorran heraldic
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4- title and who'd held it, researched via the AG.  I only got 3/91 (the
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4- earliest AG I had+ADs- the first AG started with Tadhg's first month) thru
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4- 8/96.  More data could be found by asking Da'ud, Robin, or Adelicia,
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4- or going thru LoAR cover letters (for some periods, when roster
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4- changes were listed there).  Titles given are the titles they had when
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4- they stepped up.
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4- Star Principal Herald (reg. 6/80)
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4- Late 80s: Mistress Adelicia
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-           HL Da'ud
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4- 6/90, at KWHS: Master Da'ud steps up to his first tenure as Laurel
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-     HL Tadhg Liath of Duncairn / Tiom+AHs-o'+AH0-id M. of Angle becomes Star
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4- 10/91 AG: successor announced: HL Dathi O'Cooney
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4- 1/92 AG: HL Dathi +AHs-O'+AH0- Cooney / David C. Reed, was Forerynel
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-          Long-time herald, pretty experienced, pretty well-respected.
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-          Tadhg was in 1.5 years+ADs- trains ran on time, stepped down on
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-          schedule.
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4- 3/93 AG: intends to step down in November.
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4- 6/93 AG: +ACI-1 July: HL Richard Silverdawn / Rick Gordon +AFs-was Asterisk+AF0-
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-     assumed duties of Star Principal Herald by appointment of the
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-     Crown. ... July 9: Laurel confirmed appointment of HL Richard as
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-     Acting Star Principal Herald.+ACI-  +AFs-But if both agree, why
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-     +ACI-acting+ACI-?--DdL+AF0- Notes that he usually ran consultation tables in
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-     past.  On the back cover of the AG: +ACI-It's mid-July ... do you know
+AD4- who
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-     your Principal Herald is?+ACI-
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-     I think Dathi got a new job, new house, new wife in his tenure --
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-     just too busy.
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-     Dathi was in 1.5 years nominal+ADs- trains sputtered (Laurel ruled on
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-     only 3 LoIs between 1/93 and 9/93 inclusive)+ADs-
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-     stepped down earlier than even announced time.
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4- 10/94 AG: Sir +AFs-Arenvald+AF0- Kief av Kiersted / Lee Cockerham.
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-     (Announced in 7/94 Laurel cover letter+ADs- AG didn't come out for
+AD4- months.)
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-     Richard was in 1 year+ADs- trains sputtered (ILoI 4/94
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-     was entirely lost, e.g., though more LoIs got out)+ADs- I think he was
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-     removed.
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4- 12/95 AG: Kief announces it will be Lord Donal O'Dochartaigh / Lee
+AD4- Cavett,
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-           was Asterisk.
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4- 1/96 AG: Note to Star: no officer below the BoD appoints their
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-          successor in this chicken outfit.
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-          Baron Tostig Logiosophia / Bob Wade, was Armillary.
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-          (Rest of story omitted.)
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-          Long-time experienced herald.
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-          Submissions are first pushed off onto Asterisk+ADs-
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-          something of salving the injury for Donal.
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4- (This rest is from memory and Borek's dates.)
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4- Nanoseconds later: Wade told by boss in insect-control business that
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-                    he had to work 70-hour weeks.
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4- 96: Star doesn't do much.  Trains sputtering, but with submissions on
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-     Donal's shoulders, there's some more recovery.
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4- 1/97: This time for real:
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-       Lord Donal O'Dochartaigh / Lee Cavett, was Asterisk.
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-       Tostig was in 1 year+ADs- stepped down early.
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4- 1/99: HL Francois la Flamme / Wendel Bordelon, was Solstice.
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4- 4/15/00: Lord Borek Vitalievich Volkov
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-          (Hmmm.  Didn't realize Francois had a short tenure, or why.)
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4- 4/6/02: HL Rosalia O Brogan
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4-
+AD4- +AD4- +AD4- Daniel de Lincolia
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