[ANSTHRLD] Re: +AFs-ANSTHRLD+AF0- Re: +AFs-ANSTHRLD+AF0- Stars
Tim McDaniel
tmcd at jump.net
Sat Mar 9 10:11:41 PST 2002
On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, Bob Dewart <gilli at seacove.net> wrote:
> So how come it took so long for the Rising Star paper work to get
> started?
It's true that Corpora says
Kingdoms may establish awards and orders conferring Awards or
Grants of Arms, and the Crown may award membership in such orders
according to the laws and customs of the kingdom. The names and
insignia of these awards and orders must be ratified by the Laurel
Sovereign of Arms.
and
Non-armigerous awards and orders may be established by a kingdom,
principality or barony, according to the laws and customs of the
kingdom. The names and insignia of these awards and orders must be
ratified by the Laurel Sovereign of Arms.
It's just that not many people bother to sit down with their branch's
name, arms, armory, and awards, to bump up against an Armorial to look
at what's registered. (We just had a case where a branch name was
registered with a typo back in the 1980s and they apparently just now
noticed.) I checked the Armorial when I became Oakenwald (Steppes),
and found an unneeded item. But I didn't bother as Bordure. (I did
notice that Meridies hadn't registered at least one grant-level award.
I was tempted to submit it from Ansteorra and ransom it to them for a
"peppercorn" ransom like a plate of cookies, but I realized quickly
that the political grief and interkingdom hate would have been
incredible.)
Hell, how many crowns and baron/esses actually bother to ask a
herald's opinion about whether a name or design is registerable before
they announce it and use it? They're the ones who are motivated to
actually work with it and in a position to fix things before they
become official.
> Couldn't Laurel just make an exception and pass it so the 239
> recipients of it wouldn't feel badly about the whole thing?
That would be BAD on so many levels:
- If that were done, any branch would be able to pass any award name
by refusing to register it, using it for years, and then saying
"don't hurt their feelings". In short, it would reward
rule-breaking with more rule-breaking. (I am reminded of the
Steeleye Span version of "Royal Forester", one of many such medieval
and post-period songs: a woman is raped, she goes for justice, and
the judgment is that she has to marry her rapist.)
- "I've been using it for years" has been a complaint for so many
years by so many submitters, and I for one have no more sympathy for
it now than I did years ago. -- Not that my sympathy or lack of
same counts at all: I make no decisions on registerable items. As I
see the complexities of rulings at Laurel level, I am getting more
and more sympathetic to "non scripta, non est" and "them's the
rules, period". Anything else leads to one Hell of a lot of
headaches and submitters upset at differential treatment.
- You're suggesting that an Ansteorran Laurel Principal King of Arms
and an Ansteorran Pelican Queen of Arms make a special exception
just for Ansteorra?! Man, you must really want to see Francois and
Mari get abused! No. It's fairly prudent when a Society officer
from kingdom X has to be more hands-off than normal for issues from
kingdom X, for fear of being thought to play favorites or to use his
external political power to affect internal politics. Da'ud Laurel
had to let several situations in Ansteorra fester because he felt he
dasn't intervene.
Daniel de Lincolia
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