[ANSTHRLD] The name Regina
tierna at agora.rdrop.com
Tue Jul 8 01:57:45 PDT 2003
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> Bridgid asked:
> >I know this will possibly sound like a
> >dumb question but here goes. I am helping
> >someone here that is thinking about using
> >the name Regina, however, since we use
> >Regina to refer to the queen then that
> >name is a no-no. Am I correct?
> The O&A has:
Previous registration is never a guarantee of current registerability. I
refer everyone to the cover letter to the April 2003 LoAR which I figure I
might as well quote here:
From Laurel: Laurel Does Not Know It All
We have all seen instances when a submission was returned that was
documented from a previously accepted submission - the old standard
phrase is "Past registration does not ensure future registration." We
are hopefully continuing to learn and this moving target can
sometimes cause a name or device to be returned even just a month
after a similar submission was accepted. A few weeks ago there was a
discussion concerning the reply to a "But Laurel said ..." argument.
The best summary of the situation comes from Tangwystyl verch Morgant
One should always read any decision by Laurel as being prefixed by
"Based on the available knowledge, research, and analysis
available to us at this time, it is our understanding that ..."
Many heralds (on all levels of the hierarchy) often forget this
and word statements of current knowledge as if they were Absolute
Truth, but there's still an onus on the listener as well to insert
We require your help to know "the truth". The current knowledge is
extended by the research of the College of Arms, the College of
Heralds, and the submitters. Any documentation provided on a
submission, whether it is from the submitter, the Kingdom College of
Heralds, or the College of Arms commenters, goes a long way to
helping us all learn. If you provide "the truth" in your commentary
and submissions work, that leads to better recreation and we all
benefit from the latest best attempt at determining "the truth".
Having included that, let's see what Laurel has said about the name Regina.
The discussion of the names of Lucia Visconti and Arianna Maria di Marchesi,
reviewed in the April Laurel meeting, sparked quite a bit of commentary,
particularly as regards the strictures of Rules for Submission VI.1. ...
While both surnames Marchesi and Visconti are derived, in a more or less
roundabout fashion, from the Italian equivalents of Marquess and Viscount,
they were also clearly documented as surnames used by non-nobles. As a
consequence, the applicable part of RfS VI.1. would be "Names documented to
have been used in period may be used, even if they were derived from titles,
provided there is no suggestion of territorial claim or explicit assertion
of rank. For example, 'Regina the Laundress' is acceptable but 'Regina of
Germany' is not." In the cases here, both names have been documented to
have been used in period, and neither is used in such a way as to suggest
either a territorial claim or an assertion of rank. That being so, both
names have been registered. [4/94c, p.2]
Yes, it's registerable, so long as not used in a manner that could be
Cats are not out to take over the world.
It's already theirs. We just get to live here, too.
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