[ANSTHRLD] conflict check help

tmcd@panix.com tmcd at panix.com
Mon Jul 21 10:00:52 PDT 2003

"Paul Haines" <wyrmclaw at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Does the following device conflict with: Gules, a portcullis and a
> bordure embattled Or?
> Unser Hafen, Barony of
>   a.. The following device associated with this name was registered in
> August of 1989 (via the Outlands):
>   Vert, a portcullis Or within a laurel wreath argent, all within a
> bordure embattled Or.
> I'm not sure if the laurel wreath counts as a CD

Probably due to the common SCA heraldic urban legend that "a laurel
wreath doesn't count for a CD".  That's false.  You can always get all
the normal CDs for a laurel wreath.  (I'm not even going to try to
explain RfS X.3, the probable source of the legend, because I don't
recall ever having to use it.)

So one CD for the field tincture (X.4.a) and a second CD for
addition/removal of the laurel wreath.

So, thinking about stripping the laurel wreath off the Westgate arms
and using it for a badge or something?  I'd advise against it on
period usage grounds.  If you want a sign that the populace can
display to show their affinity, note that the English one (Argent, a
cross gules) and the Scottish one (Azure, a saltire argent) have
nothing to do with the arms of England or Scotland.

I am astonished that the UK's crowned protcullis is not in the SCA
armorial, and with the prominent crown, I would call a second CD
against "(Fieldless) A portcullis Or".  But others might not.  I think
the portcullis is used by UK's crown as a royal badge, but I can't
look it up because I'm about to go to lunch.  A fielded flag, as with
Eng. or Scot., in some simple design might be nice (though perhaps
hard to pass, depending on the design).

Daniel "Vairy ermine and gules, a cross gurgety counterchanged"
de Lincolia
Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com; tmcd at us.ibm.com is my work address

More information about the Heralds mailing list