[ANSTHRLD] conflict check help
tmcd at panix.com
Mon Jul 21 10:00:52 PDT 2003
"Paul Haines" <wyrmclaw at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Does the following device conflict with: Gules, a portcullis and a
> bordure embattled Or?
> Unser Hafen, Barony of
> a.. The following device associated with this name was registered in
> August of 1989 (via the Outlands):
> Vert, a portcullis Or within a laurel wreath argent, all within a
> bordure embattled Or.
> I'm not sure if the laurel wreath counts as a CD
Probably due to the common SCA heraldic urban legend that "a laurel
wreath doesn't count for a CD". That's false. You can always get all
the normal CDs for a laurel wreath. (I'm not even going to try to
explain RfS X.3, the probable source of the legend, because I don't
recall ever having to use it.)
So one CD for the field tincture (X.4.a) and a second CD for
addition/removal of the laurel wreath.
So, thinking about stripping the laurel wreath off the Westgate arms
and using it for a badge or something? I'd advise against it on
period usage grounds. If you want a sign that the populace can
display to show their affinity, note that the English one (Argent, a
cross gules) and the Scottish one (Azure, a saltire argent) have
nothing to do with the arms of England or Scotland.
I am astonished that the UK's crowned protcullis is not in the SCA
armorial, and with the prominent crown, I would call a second CD
against "(Fieldless) A portcullis Or". But others might not. I think
the portcullis is used by UK's crown as a royal badge, but I can't
look it up because I'm about to go to lunch. A fielded flag, as with
Eng. or Scot., in some simple design might be nice (though perhaps
hard to pass, depending on the design).
Daniel "Vairy ermine and gules, a cross gurgety counterchanged"
Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com; tmcd at us.ibm.com is my work address
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