[ANSTHRLD] March 2003 LoAR?
tmcd at panix.com
Mon Jun 16 10:30:58 PDT 2003
On Mon, 16 Jun 2003, Snorri Hallsson <snorri at houston.rr.com> wrote:
> Any news on when the March LoAR is to be made public? I'm looking
> for a specific item out of Caid. (Timothy, yes, it's the outcome of
> that pended item we talked about months ago that I'm so eager to
> learn about.)
I sleep in the same bed as Laurel Clerk, so I can get you inside
information. The only Caid item in March 2003 was in the returns
Alys de Wilton. Device. Paly sable and argent.
This submission was pended from the February 2003 LoAR. The pend
was due to waiting for the ruling on whether or not the SCA
should protect, as important non-SCA arms, the arms of the earls
of Atholl, Paly Or and sable. These arms were protected in the
SCA section of this LoAR. Alys' device conflicts with the earls
of Atholl, as there is only one CD for changing half the
tincture of the field.
Off in SCA-land was
Atholl, Earl of. Device (important non-SCA armory). Paly Or and
These are the territorial arms of the earls of Atholl. When
considering the "arms" school, these arms have some prominence
of their own. They are illustrated in this form (unquartered
with other armory) in some standard widely available heraldic
sources, including Woodward's A Treatise on Heraldry British and
Foreign and Fox-Davies' The Art of Heraldry. They are also
found, either as a quartering or alone, in some of the period
rolls of arms that are more generally available to SCA heralds,
including the pan-European Armorial Gelre, the English ordinary
to period rolls Anglo-Norman Armory Two, and the Scottish Scots
In the "man school", a number of the Stewart or Murray earls,
marquesses, or dukes of Atholl who can be shown to have used
this coat as one of their quarterings are mentioned in the
(print) 11th edition Encyclopedia Brittanica with subheadings
under Atholl. (The 11th edition Brittanica mentions all the
earls and dukes of Atholl under Atholl rather than their
surnames.) The on-line current Encyclopedia Brittanica also
mentions a number of these Atholl nobility who bore this
quartering in entries under their own surnames.
The combination of the prominence of these arms and the
prominence of their bearers is sufficient to register these arms
as important non-SCA armory.
Tim McDaniel (home); Reply-To: tmcd at panix.com; work is tmcd at us.ibm.com.
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