[ANSTHRLD] Heraldic Regalia

[Jon South]

Good stuff to know.  Thanks.

Ivo

Tim McDaniel wrote:

>On Thu, 5 Feb 2004, Jon South <jonsouth at centurytel.net> wrote:
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>>I am going to make the point (with some temerity) that when
>>consulting, the herald is not in fact acting for the Society College
>>of Arms, he is acting for the petitioner.
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>In my opinion, a warranted herald is also acting for the College of
>Heralds.  This is especially evident when he's Armillary, Ansteorra's
>Herald In A Box.  The closest period analogue to that is a heraldic
>visitation, where they went around and judged the bearing of arms.
>This is a weak point because they were concerned with destroying
>armigers, not setting them up.
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>Even a freelancer, I believe, should keep an eye both on the wishes of
>the submitter and the rules of the College, both for practical reasons
>(gotta follow the rules to pass something) and for reasons of
>intellectual honesty (I would likely despise someone who hid pertinent
>evidence, for example).
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>>In consultation, the wishes of the petitioner have primacy, not the
>>wishes of the Society, the CoA, or the CoH; all a herald can do is
>>advise the petitioner that a particular choice will not pass or
>>probably won't pass.
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>Actually, that's not quite true.  In Ansteorra, unless the rules were
>changed, a local branch herald can return a submission.
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>**WARNING**: It's REALLY REALLY inadvisable, because very few branch
>heralds have the knowledge to do a really solid ruling and to follow
>the proper procedures in returning something (do you know what the
>Admin Handbook says about that?  No?).  I can think of only five
>people in Ansteorra who could do it reliably, and every one is a
>Pelican or court baroness, and has been a big-H herald or Sovereign of
>Arms.  It's also far more work to do a real return than to convince
>them that "YOU SHALL NOT PASS!  ... erm, but I can help you design
>something really close ...", especially considering they can appeal
>anything past you (do you know what the Admin Handbook says about
>that?  No?)  But technically, last I heard, it's possible.
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>It's a technicality that you'd better let lie, but it illustrates that
>at least a local herald is a representative of the College of Heralds.
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>Daniel de Lincolia
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